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Your Best Remote Workshop With Miro

teacher avatar Max Brinckmann, Researcher and Designer

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9 Lessons (44m)
    • 1. Intro

    • 2. UX Snacks

    • 3. Challenges of Remote Workshops

    • 4. Basic Features

    • 5. Advanced Features

    • 6. Templates

    • 7. Improve Your Workshops

    • 8. Feedback

    • 9. Class Project

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About This Class

Let's talk about conducting remote (or online) workshops using Miro, formerly know as Realtime Board. While the learning curve of Miro is relatively steep and its access quite easy, there are many tricks and things that will boost your interactive sessions and the experience of your participants a lot.

Mastering Miro is a skill that does not only come in very handy in days of being separated from each other but also since the remote work life is becoming a long-lasting reality. And even for in-person sessions, Miro can be a great tool to document your progress and collaboratively work on the same board.

In this course you will learn:

- What the challenges of remote workshops are
- What the basic features of Miro are
- What the advanced features of Miro are
- How to use templates
- How to spice up your workshops

I have spent many hours in the preparation and production of this course, and I really hope that you enjoy it and are able to make the most of it for your career and professional life!

About Max: I am a Senior UX Designer and User Researcher and I am a huge fan of believing in never stopping to learn. I want to share my knowledge with you and give back to the community that brought me to where I am now.


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Max Brinckmann

Researcher and Designer


Hello, my name is Max and I'm a Senior User Researcher and Digital Designer with more than ten years of professional experience. I love to write and to talk about UX related topics. Besides that, I am occasionally recording music.

Throughout my career, I was and still am privileged to work for many different clients from different industries like automotive, IT, food, healthcare, or life science. Having worked both for agencies and in-house, I am able to share from my broad set of knowledge that is based on successful projects of almost all possible places of action for UX and digital product design.



So far, my online learning material has helped over 60,000 students from around the globe an... See full profile

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1. Intro: Joe best, remote workshop with Miro. Hello, my name is Max and I am a senior user research and user experience designer with ten years of professional experience. I worked in various industries and for a multitude of clients and the different user groups throughout this time. In this class, we are talking about conducting remote or online workshops using Miro, formerly known as real-time. And while the learning curves of Miro is relatively deep and it's quite easy. There are many tricks and things that will boost your interactive sessions and the experience of your participants a lot. Mastering mirror is truly a skill that does not only come in very handy and days of being separated from each other, but also since the remote work life, it's becoming a long-lasting reality. And even for in-person sessions, you can be a great tool to document your progress and collaboratively work on the same. Miro is basically a huge canvas or digital whiteboard that can be accessed through the browser or using native apps. For Mac, Windows, smart phones, or tablets. It's really easy to get into it and it performs really nicely across all platforms as well. And facts. I've been using this tool for a while now and even before the pandemic for various workshops, scenarios of distributed teams, different stakeholders, or with groups of people who were together in the same room. So in this class, I want to share my secrets with you and enable you to transform your online workshops into successful and smooth experiences. Please enjoy this class. And if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask right away. So let's get started. 2. UX Snacks: So for each of my classes, I'm preparing a small swipe through post for Instagram. I do this to kick off my thoughts sorting process and I like to call these posts UX snacks. They are by no means exhaustive, but they provide me with a fun idea of what I want to talk about. And maybe some folks on Instagram enjoy them as well. But most importantly, and that is why I'm including In my class. I hope they provide you with a rough idea of what's to come in the next couple of minutes. So let's switch over to my browser. Okay, cool. Disclaimer for visualizing this edition of UX snacks. I've picked the stuck at home collection and blush. So the colors might be a little bit shrill. And by the way, blushes a great tool by Pablo Stanley, a great designer. Fungi keeps on publishing really interesting stuff. And with blush, even I am able to put together nicely illustrated social media content. All right, your best on and workshops with Miro. I went for the wording on land workshop instead of remote workshop. But I'm still unsure which have either the better fits. If you know, please, please tell me how to turn your remote workshops into successful and DevOps, yes, that is the big question. And you will be able to answer this question after finishing this class. Right here. Research, learn about your participants and their expectations. Also, who might be the loudest. So researching your participants, many people just don't do depending on the size of your workshop audience. This might of course be impossible for every individual, but at least know the expectations and their background knowledge and be prepared for loud people with strong opinions who could potentially influence the entire group. And this could become a real threat to a harmonic session by prepare, set up a playground environments so that everyone has a chance to get familiar with Miro beforehand. These playgrounds are great tool for everyone, All the tool itself, and also child possible usability or performance issues. We don't want to waste precious time conducting IT support, and setting up your participants devices. To be strict with the timing and defined small blocks so that NO times being wasted. I would even say the stricter your schedule is, the more successful your workshop will be. Start off very roughly with bigger time chunks and then gradually narrow them down to different goals that you want to achieve. Focus. Make sure everyone is on the same page at all times of your session. This can be especially challenging when you're not physically together. But luckily, mirror offers a feature for exactly this case, which I'll be explaining in this class. And that's already it. That's it for this episode. You act snack very quick as always, and I hope you enjoyed it. So without further ado, let's jump into the next chapter. 3. Challenges of Remote Workshops: I don't know if you already conducted remote workshops and already found out what their challenges are or not, maybe you need a 12 host 1 in the near future. For me at some point, recurring challenges became clearer and clearer. Let me share these learnings with you so that you understand why it makes sense to pay into certain aspects as they can really cause your online session to become frustrating or not as effective as they could be. Different time zones. It can be hard to find the right time, The session. This might sound trivial. But if you're working in a distributed team and maybe across continents, the different, the time difference problem is very real. And just a few weeks ago I had to conduct a remote workshop. And the time difference been to 11 hours across all participants. So try to find a spot that's most comfortable for everyone. And if that's not possible, it might make sense to split up the group and do multiple sessions. Technical issues. As easy as this kind of software gets, some people will still have difficulties using it. This is absolutely understandable and we should never assume people's abilities by our own. So give everyone the chance to warm up with Miro and with that, bring the time of getting used to the tool during our session down to 0. Playground. So what I do, send around a link to a dedicated playground for a few days prior to the appointment. The playground board includes small tasks that will introduce everyone to the main features of Miro, which will be required during the actual session. So let's take a look. Here. We see the start point and we can see that there's an arrow indicating the direction in which we want to move. So this is actually the first interaction that we're playing around. Moving on this canvas says, Let's start over here. And then it says, what's this up here? Can we can only see that it looks kinda weird, kind of greenish. So the next task actually is to zoom out in order to understand what this is and why we zoom out. We are recognizing that this is a giant T-Rex. All right, so there's hundreds done as well, but we want to continuous. So let's scroll back. And then it says, try to read this text. Very, very small, so we have to have to zoom in again. It goes to 400 percent, so it's now barely readable. It says, you look nice today, which is something everyone wants to hear, I think. So Let's continue. Here. We have a video. The next interaction it says play this video. So let's click on play. And we have a nice waving pack. Alright, That's continue. Place a sticky note here and write something about, write something on it. Okay? We'll take the sticky note, place it here, and we'll write something. Then let's continue. Try to fill these shapes with colored shapes on your own. So this is the next task for everyone to actually draw these shapes here. So let's do it. We will change the colors in appeared. Just let me remove outline and let's color it in red and put it into the center. And here we have a triangle. So let's pick them. Good shape. Let's cry. Scooters. We can move it over a bit, but change the color to orange. Okay, and let's move on. O and we're already done. It says congrats, you're at the end, add your name to the list of finishers. And this is the last exercise using the text tool. Writing your name can even change the font may be to the one that we use. Cheer as well. Increase it a bit, maybe make it bold up. And that's it. This is the playground. And it helps so much getting familiar with Nero upfront. The next topic is speaking time. And on the analytics, you're also dealing with issues as bad connections, delays, cutoffs, and so on. If this is being combined with very prominent people who like to talk a lot, you can run into issues here as well. What I found out to be really helpful in this case is to have a really tight schedule. Be clear upfront regarding when discussions are allowed and plan ahead for this discussion slots and stick to your schedule very strictly. This might seem a bit awkward, but the result counts and when you're not able to finish with what you wanted to achieve, no one will be happy. A lot of performing workshops depends on your experience. So don't expect miracles in your first session. But the great thing is that all of the points that I just talked about will help you to reduce friction already in your planning phase. So with that in mind, let's move on to the next chapter. 4. Basic Features: To make this class comprehensive, I want to cover the basic features of Miro as well. With these most important tools, you will be able to maneuver around your Canvas that you haven't done anything else in your life. A lot of these tools are available, many other applications as well. So you will probably see many similarities, which will make it easy for you to pick them up and start using them. All right, so we're now here on an empty board within Miro. And the very first thing that I want to show you from this toolbar over here is the cursor. You cannot use the cursor while you're doing something else. Because helps you to point at stuff, at objects and shapes, texts, all these kinds of objects that I will explain in this chapter here will be selectable. And with the cursor, you are able to draw these selection rectangles. And while hitting space bar, you're transforming it into a hand, which enables you to move around the Canvas. Then by selecting text or hitting the button t. With switching to the text tool. With the text tool, we can write text and we can change the font to some of these that are available here. We cannot add our own fonts. We have to use these. I believe they're from Google fonts, but they are also quite sufficient. And I really started enjoying this limitation by design approach and being able to work quickly with, with what's available here. And we can also change the size of. Next. We can change the styling and we can change the text color. Obviously, this is maybe not the best choice, right? And next, we have sticky notes are posted. And this is also a very important tool as it reminds everyone of this haptic experience. And everyone likes to use them even though they're not that different to maybe a rectangle that you could draw and also write on it. So what you can do is pick a posted, select your color and then just place it on the board. Can start writing. So you have some options when you want to work with post-its. You can change the size from large to medium to small, and the font size will also change accordingly. And you can also change the color afterwards so we can change it to black. You can see that the text colors, which too wide, we can go to blue and turquoise or whatever else we want. There's also another option here and the sticky notes feature, and it says BOC mode. So especially interesting when you're doing brainstorming. For example, where you want to have your participants produce a lot of ideas in a short period of time. It's quick, it's quicker to use this bulk mode instead of placing individual sticky notes on the canvas and write on them. Because what it does is open up this interface. And you can now start just writing and hitting, hitting Enter, which will create a new entry. So let's just create a couple of entries here, Let's say done or Command Enter on a Mac. And it automatically creates for posted for each of the different entries that I just entered. Knowledge. Let's move on to the shapes section, something that you all also just saw on the playground. But shapes can be very useful. For example, if you're drawing down diagrams like a UML diagram of flows for your interfaces, user journey flows, sitemaps, whatever. These can come in very handy. And then click it. And then we can maybe if you want plus shift, which is the hotkey for, for symmetrical scaling, right? But we cannot, unfortunately, before we click on the canvas. So here you can see different shapes that are available. And it's very easy. You can just draw them on your part. And you can also then double-click on these shapes, which will put the text cursor into the shape. And you can start writing, can right here. And you have the same options, of course, to change the text, font, the text size, or whatever you want. And last but not least, I want to show you the arrows tool. They call it connection lines. So the hotkey would be L. But instead of just providing you a line, you can also use this kind of line arrow or this kind of shape arrow. And these are very useful when you want to connect different objects with each other. So you see these blue little circles here, and they are the nodes on which you can connect your arrows. So I can just click here and you will see that it stays connected to that node. And I can move on to any other object. It will see that it snaps into these blue dots here. So when I want to connect it to say here, and just release the mouse, and it's there with this blue dot here in the middle of the line. I can rearrange where the line of this arrow is displayed. I can change the type, which is the width of the line. We move to the side so you can see if you can change the way how this curve is displayed. Corners or if it's a curve, I can switch between a dotted line, the dashed line, solid line. Can of course, the color of the line, and it can change the ends of the lines. So here we have different arrow types and an arrow heads that we can pick from. For example, this one which is kind of a lion arrow. Let me zoom in so we can see it better. Or this filled kind of arrow. We can also specify the type of the other. And so we could say that it should be more, provide more emphasis on the starting point being a real starting point. We could choose, for example, this circle here or whatever we want. And the same goes for lines. Of course, we have the same options. We can transform it into this kind of arrow. We have all the possibilities of re styling or changing the line. And last but not least, we have this shape arrow, which is a bit different because we cannot change it and it's curved. It just stays at it is. But we can change the size by dragging and dropping. And we can change the color. So that's it for the basic features, I would say we're ready to move on. So see you in the next chapter. 5. Advanced Features: Okay, so now that we're done with the basic features, that's just jump right into the advanced features. This won't take very long. Only a couple of tools that I want to show you, and then we can move on already. So we're back at our test board, which is empty again. And the first thing that I wanted to show you this now here in this bottom panel, where we can find the more advanced tools as displaying it in the presentation mode, there are comment features and all that stuff, but I don't want to talk about this. I wanted to show you the first thing which is a. So you might be familiar with the Time Timer, just really big. Watch that counts down a preset duration and you have it in almost every workshop exercise or workshop situation. So Meroe has it as well. I think it's only available in the paid plans, are not in the free plan. I mean, there are of course, other ways of how you could do this, even without paying the license fee. For example, having your smart phone just lying down and having the time of for yourself and you would then have to work with that. The advantage of this time is that it's insane for everyone and every participant is able to see it. So we can specify the duration here. Just for this example, let's keep it here with five seconds. I would then click start. The session would continue, everyone would see the timer. And when it's done, everyone hears that chyme. And that's very handy. Very useful when we're working with are tight schedules and we need a timer so that everyone's aware about how much time they have left for the current exercise. And the second feature I wanted to talk about is the boating tool, which is also very important, very useful. You and a lot of cases you have to, or you want to understand how people think about different options that have been developed an interactive sessions. And the easiest way would be to do a voting session. Of course, you can also again do it without paying the fee. I think it's again a paid feature. For example, by just adding small colored shapes, circles which could represent these colored stickers that you will have in your workshops. And you would then just distribute or assign different colours to the participants. And everyone would then place these shapes on the objects they want to vote for. A mirror has the same future implemented already. And once we click on that, we can provide the voting session with a name. So we'll call it test vote. Again, a duration that say one minute volt per person, five, or the boating area hold boards or we could even change. The area of the board which is at this moment empty so we don't see anything right here. But once we start putting, once we start placing objects on the board, we're actually able to see them here as well. So we can just specify the boating area, let's say done. And then you can see it here just for making sure that you have selected the right space. Because out of this area that's visible here, both will not be possible, which is very handy. You can even restrict the object type. So for example, if we have an headline here and we have another headline there, it's not really a square. And let's just call it square. And we don't want our participants to vote on the add lines, then we obviously would deselect text. We can also in this case, just de-select everything except for shapes. And then we have everything set up. Let's maybe just move down to one click Start now. And then we can start bolting on ourselves. The times already running. Click on both now. And this is how it looks like. We can select the shape that we want to both four. And now it has count or boat here for the circle because I cannot vote anymore. It says you are out of boats, but I can of course change my vote. I can remove it here and say, Oh yeah, I wanted to walk products square. So that's it. Let's say Done. And now I'm back at the admin interface here so I can end the voting for all. So we don't have to wait and everyone's already finished and I can enter voting soon. Confirm. And then it will process the results of everyone. In this case, it's Of course, we will have to wait a few seconds until the results are available. Here we see, All right, For the square, we got one vote, of course. And a real session. This would look a little bit different, but everyone would be able to see and understand where the boats got to and where they came from. And the good thing about this, as well as in comparison to just placing the colored circles on the, on the object, is that this is an anonymous voting. So you don't see who's voting on what, while the voting is still going on soon as also quite nice. So let's close this and let's talk about another feature. So this is a huge, huge part and I'm not sure, but I think it's endless. You can scroll to hop how far you want. You can place your objects way beyond the actual focus area. And everything is possible. Here. We have this issue of attention even more. So in remote workshops situations. And mineral provides a nice tool to get everyone's attention back as the moderator or even as someone who just wants to show something. So it's called bring everyone to me. And how this works is on top, on top of this tour, you will see these kind of images for all of the participants. And you can just click on your own head or image and say bring everyone to me. And what this does is it will bring everyone's cursor and screen area to where you're currently looking. So they will see exactly the same area of the, of the art. Our board, or white board that you're seeing, which is very handy as you can then very easily explain what, what you wanted to explain and have been like the sure that everyone's paying attention and it's actually at the same spot as you are. You can also just bring single individuals to yourself to make collaboration easier. It's a very nice cool again, and I've used it a lot in the past. And the last feature I wanted to show you is something that's also very handy for setting up your playground. And it's defining the starting point of where you want to, where you want your participants to begin when they start the app and open up your board. So let's just say in this case, I want everyone to be really, really close to this headline that says circle. And what I do is I will set up this view by just moving around exactly to the point where I want everyone to be one stays set up, open up the board. Then I will right-click on the board itself and click on Set Current View start. And this also helps a lot at the beginning of each, because you can make sure everyone's starting at a specific point. Maybe you have a set of instructions or an overview, or it's just the agenda. And you want everyone to read through this so you can make sure everyone starts there when they open up the board and not start on random places, anywhere and move around like crazy chicken. But everyone starts at this very, very defined position that you want them to start. And that's it for the advanced features. Let's move on to the next chapter, which is called templates. 6. Templates: All right, there's one more thing that I wanted to show you within Miro to close up this Miro tutorial and it's about templates. Templates are fairly new feature of Miro, and they were really currently building up a community group which is providing templates for everyone. You can specify templates for your Teams Only. You can also provide public templates. These templates go into all different directions. So everything that you could do on this canvas here is potentially already covered by a template, which is very handy and useful and it saves your time. So let's move into Miro. Templates are here on this position. And when you click on them, you can see this is some sort of like an App Store interface here you have a really big variety of different categories and templates within these categories. And they go into different directions as I said. So you have ideation, our template. You have strategy or planning like strategic templates, templates for research and design Agile workflows, charts and diagrams. I would really like to invite you to check out these different templates and see some of them are interesting for you. And just in our example, I would like to show you two different templates. The first one being the stakeholder map. The stakeholder map is a way of writing down the different stakeholders and identifying all of the stakeholders and the different roles in your project or for your product. And it's very commonly used technique. The document this and at an early stage, but also as a recurring thing to do just to keep track of who's involved and who you want to work with. And you can just click on Use template, which will place this empty template on your Canvas. But you can also click on preview, which will open up this kind of detailed page where I can see exactly how this will look like. Then you have the chance of selecting between US blank, a blank template, which means there's no texts or use preferred template, which might be easier for you when you are not familiar with the template so that you how you can work with it and provide your own content. And that's exactly what we want to do. So we click on Use preferred. And there we go. We have our template which consists of 42 objects, which are not grouped, but we can group them by clicking here so we can move everything together. We can ungroup everything again. And how this is built up typically is that you have your product or project name and the middle. And then we just go down the instances or hierarchy levels. Here we have financial institutions, these are just examples of business comes out in supplies, management, retailers, whatever. Then under that, we would have the different people who are involved, or in this case, it's even more abstract and we have different categories which would then break down into different persons, for example. And now let's take a look at the second template that I wanted to talk about. And we will find this one in ideation and brainstorming, as it is, the five whys method, not the team 5-Why Analysis, but the actual Five Whys method. Here it is, we can just go ahead and click on Use template. We want the empty canvas. And there it is, I can just drag it. And you might already be familiar with it from one of my previous classes where I explained the five whys method. But just in short here. The idea is that you have a problem and you are asking someone who is experiencing this problem, the question why? And you ask it five times. After each time, the one you're talking to gives you a reply. And this will narrow down the problem to its actual core. And it's a very nice technique and usually helps a lot because you just don't think about the actual root cause. But getting ask why five times x really brings you to think about it. And you can see you can write down the problem. Then you ask your question that you will phrase with a y. Then you see because and it goes to this case pattern down to the root cause. As I said. So there you go. Those are the different templates. There are many, many more available health course. I cannot show them all. But I hope you got the idea and I wish you a lot of fun exploring these templates and maybe you can even create your own ones. And if you do so, I would love to hear about that and it would be great if you could share them with me. Yeah. Other than that, we can move on to the next chapter. 7. Improve Your Workshops: All right, so we're done with the Miro part of this mural class. But there's one more thing that I wanted to show you, which will hopefully help you with your online or remote workshops. And it's a toolkit of user experience, design, ideation and product development methods and exercises that I've been working on in the past weeks. And it just recently has been launched two weeks ago, and I'm very proud of it. The reception has been really, really well and positive. So I hope you can also take something from it. Yeah, Just let's take a look. It's called the UX toolkit. You can access it under your textbook adopted Murdock design. And I guess there are two ways of how you can access the content from it. As already said, the content is exercises and instructions on how to perform these exercises or interactive sessions. And if you want to just enrich your workshop pattern maybe or your portfolio of exercises, you can just take a look here, browse around. We're constantly adding new methods. So hopefully there's something for you. And as I said, I guess the two ways of how to access these tools here. And the one would be to go the explorative way. That means that you're not searching for something in particular, but maybe you know that you're currently in the creation phase, your product life cycle. And the thing you can do is just hit this tile here or click here on creation. And then you would see the list of all the different methods are exercises that are within this phase. The phases that we, that we introduced here, observation, creation, implementation, and validation, are similar to the phases that you would find in design thinking or the design sprint. And I guess you can also translate them into both directions. So that should be no problem actually. So here you can see the content that we provide. These are all of these tiles are the different methods that are available in this specific category. And when we hover above one of them, we can see additional information as the number of participants that are required for this exercise are the expected duration it will take to perform these exercises. You can also use the photos appear. For example, if you know your constraints are ready, if you're planning a workshop and you want to fill that gap of one hour, then you can just set the duration to one hour. 15 minutes to one hour or one hour to one day. Both would show you the exercises that last one hour. And if you know that you're, you're having seven participants, for example, which is in between five and 10. Obviously, that you can select this photo as well. And you will see four exercises within the face to creation, within the creation phase that match your constraints. And the other way of how to access this content is by knowing where you want to go. So if you know, you want to pick a specific exercise and see the content that we're offering. Can I use to search? You can also just add a keyword here. So for example, let's search for brainstorming. And when we hit Enter, we can see that there are 19 results for brainstorming. So all of these methods here are somehow collected to the word brainstorming or can be used as a brainstorming exercise. And we can also switch by the way, to gallery view, which will provide you with something that I will talk about in a second. And this is the actual material with what you can perform your workshop, right? So let's switch back to the Grid View. Scroll down because I wanted to talk about the value proposition. And this is just a nice exercise to narrow down your value proposition statement, right? And what we're offering here or what we're providing is canvas. And this is not available for all of the methods because it does not make sense for every method to provide a canvas, but in this case it makes sense. And when we click on it, we can see how this value proposition canvas is built out. We have different boxes. And this year is demo content, which provides you with an idea of how to use it. So you can see how to fill it out, how to work with that. So if we move on, you can see that there are slides available as well. The slides contain all the description, all the instructions for this method. And you can see we have again the duration. We have the amount of participants who have a short description and the more detailed description, we have all the different steps that are involved in this exercise. And we have the tools that are required to work on this exercise. And if we continue, then we can see that there's a dedicated slide for each of the single steps, including a broken down estimation of the duration. So you can basically just use the slides for your exercises or for your workshops. And you're good to go. It contains all the information that you need. If we scroll down here, we see the same content that's on the slide, but obviously on the website of machine-readable format. Again, the step instructions and again the tools. If the contents not enough for you, you can just click here on the external resource, which is a curated video link that we provide. And the video will tell you more about that specific exercise. I hope that this somehow interesting for you. I would be happy if you checked it out. You can also provide feedback on it. Just let me know your thoughts if you use it. Tell me because I'm really curious to see for what you're going to use it. It's free to use. It's available publicly. So have fun and see you in the next chapter. 8. Feedback: Okay, so before we close this class and get to the class project, I want to ask you for your feedback only by understanding your needs and desires. I can improve my content, which is a win-win situation for all of us. So please, if you have any feedback on this class, let me know and I will make sure to include it into my next classes. Thank you so much. 9. Class Project: For this class project, I want you to try out Miro for yourself if you haven't already done so. Create a playground board as it really helps your workshop participants to get familiar with the software. And we'll make starting your session a lot easier and save your time. Make sure to define your schedule with attention to brakes and discussion slots so that everyone knows when they should be working or should be talking. Feel free to share your workshop schedule or playground boards with me if you want feedback and tell me about your experiences. What went well? What did you notice challenges? What did your workshop participants session and try to improve by gaining experience and following the same organizational patterns which proved to have a positive impact. If you have any other questions, do not hesitate to hit me up or write them below. And looking forward to your projects, have fun, Have a great day and see you soon. Goodbye.