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Using Suno Version 3 to Compose AI Music

teacher avatar Misici, Music Composer & Producer

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Lessons in This Class

    • 1.

      Intro

      2:10

    • 2.

      Generating AI Music in V3

      9:33

    • 3.

      Working Around the Limitations to V3

      11:03

    • 4.

      Adding MIDI & Vocals to AI

      15:50

    • 5.

      That's It!

      2:16

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It didn't take long folks, AI generation has taken yet another huge leap forward as Suno AI releases the Alpha version of their 'Version 3' AI Generation tool on their website. 

If you took my other SkillShare AI Music Composition course, then you're well aware of the capabilities of Version 2. However, Version 3 is a game-changer and I absolutely had to present a class that teaches these differences and demonstrates the power that's now available to composers. 

For the first time, generated AI music is now capable of producing music that you can add your own samples (including vocals) to, allowing for customisation like never before. It also now exports in higher quality and provides lots more innovations on top. For the first time, AI is now a viable option and tool for proper music production.

Those looking to take this class would benefit from having a DAW music production software installed, as well as a pro subscription to Suno which is necessary to access version 3 but not necissary for version 2. I'll also be demonstrating the plugins 'Serum' and 'Valhalla SuperMassive' in this class. 

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Misici

Music Composer & Producer

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Hi! I'm Jordan, I also go by Misici.

I'm a composer & producer from Australia, having studied music at the University of New England. I also teach music and performing arts from my base in Shanghai as well as in partnership with institutions in other cities on request.

I score projects on a freelance basis for animation, video games, and film. I also produce lofi and dance tracks for Spotify and YouTuber clients. I fell in love with music production while rocking out to the Doctor Who soundtrack in my car with my best friend as a teen. Since then I've been obsessed with finding and creating the perfect leitmotif.

My favourite style of class is short, sharp, and focused on creating and refining a single track that's applicable for a focused purpose. I don'... See full profile

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3. Generating AI Music in V3: And here we are back on Suo I's website in case you haven't been here before, it's Suoi, just type that in and it will take you right there. And look here. Version three, Alpha access for Pro and Premier. If you want to be a free user on Suo do, of course you can continue to do so. Version two is still awesome, but if you do have a paid account, version three is now available. It's not a necessity, but I've already said what the benefits are and if they suit you, then maybe paying for it is now worth it. We're going to change it right here, V two. We're going to click that and change it to V three Alpha. It's changing every day. When they say they're changing every day, they are not lying. When I tried the Alpha the day it came out, honestly, it was just the worst songs are being made where they were 20 seconds long or there were lyrics half the time and then it was instrumental half the time. Now only it's not been that many days and now it's working a lot better. They are changing it literally every day, updating it, But let's give it a try. So we're going to put in just a general prompt and see how they're doing in providing us what they've claimed to provide us. Let's say a song about learning on skillshare. So for this experiment, I'm not going to provide any more information than that and see what it comes up with, because that was kind of my favorite thing about version two, was that you could put in a super simple prompt like that. And I would get what? I just get something pretty awesome. Now one thing I'm noticing is that they op that was pretty quick. One criticism I've had so far is that they promised it would be quicker than version two, but in my experience it's been slower. But look, that was pretty quick. So very happy with that. Let's have a listen put on your thinking. Cap fix time to expand to learn what skills shake, you'll learn something new. One corset of time, Some create finding to graphic design to be ready to unleash your potential. Leave the world behind. Level love en time to quo, you see you left. My impressions are the music is better and the vocal sound the same to me. So the beat of the kick drum, the bass line, they sound better. A big criticism of my heart of version two was how bad the kick drum sounded. If you took my previous class, you'll have seen that I replaced the kick jump. I didn't replace it, there was no way to do that. But I overlaid the kick drum with my own kick drum sample to try to mitigate how terrible the kick sounds so that the song sounded so hollow with a really fuzzy kick sound. It's no dancing to a fuzzy kick sound. It can't be done. So I would overlay my own kick, but I think that sounds a lot better. Let's try the other one. You got a dream deep down inside a pase can no longer hide. You're searching for a way to go and unlike the talent you already know, thank you. Embrace the power. The world is to define cord to sing, unlike your potential. Let your dreams take away Shale. I thought that was awesome. I think honestly, skillshare could use that as their commercial music. In my opinion, obviously it's not as good quality yet as what a producer can make on their own. But you know what, it was pretty darn good. I think those male vocals are sounding better. I thought the female vocals sounded the same as they did in version two. I said in my last class, I didn't really like using the male vocals at all. I thought that the male vocals, they just didn't sound as good. They sounded more hollow and more fake. But listen to those male vocals, they sounded great. So now maybe the male vocals are more viable than the female ones, whereas in version two female vocals were the star. Mm, how interesting. All right, now here's the real star of the update they promised instrumental. How interesting. One comment I got on my previous class on skillshare was, can they generate music and then sing themselves over it? My answer was of course, you can take the vocals out with a plug in that will search and take out vocals from a track. But God, does it sound bad, Muddy, when you search for vocals and take them out of a track, as low quality as what that was, I didn't recommend do it, but look at this, look at this improvement. Now, it's not such an issue. We can just make an instrumental track. I'm going to ask for a bright and cheery dance track. Now one thing Sono have said is that you can put in BPM and key signatures now. But that you have to expect that it won't always work. It's, they're hopeful that it will work. They've got things in place to make it maybe work. Let's try a bright and cheery dance track in C major at 120 BPM instrumental Create if it can get this right. Now we knew in version two how we knew that it wasn't working. Mainly was that the lyricist, the vocalist who's singing will sing whatever the algorithm didn't understand as instructions. I would put in major like this. Then the vocalist would major in the lyrics and she would sing 120 BPM and then she'd rhyme BPM with something. That's how we knew it wasn't working. That was before even dragging it into Ableton and seeing if it was right or wrong. Okay, so let's have a listen. With the vocals removed, it's a lot more obvious that the music quality is still not something I don't believe you could record yourself over that and then put it on Spotify yet. It's definitely better in my opinion here. If I go back to version two, play this Kyvat Pickle like it's noble choice. No Cao's this sweet moment. Happiness is key, so much see it. When it, on day one I thought, oh, the improvement is so little like God, how disappointing man do I not feel that way now? Gosh, what a difference. See, that's quite good. But anyway, I've got some more instructions that are going to take advantage of some of the new changes. So let's get a cup of coffee, and then, and then let's provide some more specific instructions in the continuation of this track. 4. Working Around the Limitations to V3: One thing I've noticed is with version two, I was able to click anywhere. In here, it was very clear about how long the track was and I could just click anywhere. And what I used to like doing was clicking right near the end to see how the ending was. But this one, it's saying how far into the track I am, but it's not saying how long it is. When I click, it just doesn't work. That's interesting. I wonder if this part of the algorithm still making the song as I play it. I don't know. But they say that the tracks are 2 minutes now. This is interesting because this is going to change the way that we make the track before. We would make them 30 seconds long. However many versions, six or seven or eight different continuations to get to a full track length and then have the website stitch them altogether. But if 2 minutes is quite long, we're going to have to use their new feature which allows you to continue from any point. So I'm going to ask, I'm just going to say a dance track because bright and cheery made those tracks a little bit too kiddy. Dance in major. I'm going to write in here a two minute dance track because that is the full length apparently available. Now I have had some luck making two minute long tracks and I've had some situations where they weren't quite 2 minutes, a two minute dance track in C major at 120 Pm. All right, let's see what we can get. Ordinarily in version two, you have to continue from the 32nd track, was what used to be the maximum length. At the end, you would make a 32nd track, click continue, continue on, then you have a minute, minute and a half, 2 minutes. Keep going until it's the length that you want. And then click Get Hole Song, and it would stitch it altogether. Now if we even do that once, the song is going to be 4 minutes long, because it's 2 minutes and 2 minutes, we're going to have to use the new feature. I'm going to try to click again. Yeah, see no, can't do it. Really surprising. All right. I'm going to write EDM. Really surprising that that first one was what it was. I don't know who's dancing to that. Goodness gracious also. Isn't it funny how, I don't know if how much you've played with this, but you're going to get sunshine, electric pulse, neon nights, and something about coffee always. Unless you change the title yourself. All right. Let's see. As you can hear, it's still pretty bad at introductions. I thought that it was quite nice. I thought that I can't even rewind. What a shame. Quite good. The base drop is still just so soft and hollow. I mean, look at what I'm complaining about. The AI generation created something with a base that's too hollow. Gosh, how spoiled can you be? You'd probably want to put your own bass drop over top and the melodic lead line. God, could it benefit from a bit of a reverb? But I can't put a reverb on track. An individual stem within this AI can't be done, which is a shame. But we're going to continue this track and we're going to look at the new features. Click that, See, that's another thing. Within the first few days of the Alpha, I noticed this. And it's still not fixed. It's still working. They promise faster generations. Now I think this is how they're doing it in the old days of version two. The old days a month ago, version two, they would generate the whole track at once, and that's why we could scrub around it. But it also meant it might take a couple minutes. Now we're getting it quickly. Well we are now in the first week. It was still taking forever and it was still giving us this pinwheel continue now, but it's just at the expense of having it all done at once so it's quicker but you know. Okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to click Continue and I'm going to use the new feature which is right here. Continue from, and you need to write it in this exact format or else it doesn't work. I'm going to put in 002, 39. So I'm going to continue it from that base drop moment, which I remember being 39. I wish I could scrub back and check, but I can't. Now, let's keep it going as an instrumental. But what I am going to do is I really want to see if I can add lyrics to an instrumental track. So I'm going to do that too. It's not working because I've done something wrong. 39 That's right, can't be done. I wonder if instrumental tracks can't be continued yet, turn off instrumental still can't be continued. I wonder if it's because it's not done. Let's try continuing from our one from earlier, which I think this is the one I liked, not that one. That's the one. And it might be just a case of not being done. Can't be continued, is it? Because it's 2 minutes, maybe the 2 minutes can't be continued. 0039 continue from there can't be done. How interesting or it's that the instrumental ones can't be continued? Let's try something that's not an instrumental. Where's that skillshare track that we made here? Put on your thinking cap bits tell who's Sanan, how about the male one? You've got to rein, that's better. Alright, Continue. Here it is. God, it's still great Out. Let's give it some lyrics. Oh, look at that now I can keep going. Continue. From which point do I want to continue from? I don't know. Say can no longer hide. You're searching for a way to unlock the silence, you know? Let's try from that chorus which was 17. 17. Why, what's wrong with that? That I do the dots wrong? Oh yeah, I did the dots wrong. You can't do anything wrong. You got to do it exactly right, man. What a shame about the instrumental. I guess those just can't be continued yet. What do you want to bet though? I'm going to say definitively right now, you can't continue an instrumental track. And then as soon as this weekend it'll be totally patched and you'll be able to do it as much as you want. Maybe it's too hard to stitch two instrumental tracks together because no, it can't be the length. You can make songs at 10 minutes long if you want, by stitching more and more and more tracks together. It can't be that maybe it's just too hard to put two different instrumental tracks together or I've done something silly, which is just as likely, man, this has taken a while. Part two is and part three, this is virgin two, where a part two is taking a lot more than a part one. This seems the same. Be at night when the city sleep underneath the Coke Street street. When London walk don't need it. Escination in line sketching five and losing on my cheese. Neon dreams. Always neon dreams. If you use the AI to make your lyrics guarantee it's going to be about neon dreams or about coffee. Those are the two big ones. Oh well, in sunshine, those are the big three. Anyway. Yes. So continue from 17, I guess once we export it, we'll know what that sounds like. The cut in of continuing from 17. How interesting. Hm. 5. Adding MIDI & Vocals to AI: I have exported one of the instrumental tracks that I made into Ableton is. Let's text the length. It is Oh, Pretty square on. Oh, yeah. It is exactly 2 minutes long. How interesting? Having a look at the track, it is 120 pm. It's exactly what I asked for. Yeah, good work on them. The one I chose is one that has an insanely long drum build up. And the reason I chose it is because it's going to allow me to add my own layering. And it sounds nicer than if a lot of instruments and layers existed in the track already for me to contend with and to work over. What I'm going to do is I'm going to make it a chord progression, And I'm going to assume it did what I wanted and compose it in C major. If it did, then my chord progression is going to sound awesome. And if it didn't, then my red progression will sound terrible. That's what it sounds like. Okay, so there is where it's pretty, I'll probably just start like this and then drag it how I want it. It's a nice point to get a core progression started. So to do that, I've got the track in audio stem here, and I've made a Midi stem underneath. I'm going to mute the audio stem because that's going to annoy the heck out of me. I'm going to press command shift to make myself a new Midi track. I'm explaining because not everybody works in Midi. I know plenty of composers or producers that work exclusively in audio, using samples and stuff like that to mix up a lot of tracks and glue it altogether in the way that they do. So Origins piano. It's my babe. I love it. Oh, maybe not. I think Serum is going to be the way to go. Sorry, Origins just changed my mind. Okay, for this, I'm going to increase the unison as much as I can. Go degenerate a bit at a second. Oscillation probably give it something foul like that. Maybe you can drag it out that way. For those who don't know what Serum is or how to use it right here on skill share, I have a class, I think it's composing with a synthesizer that covers serum in depth. Okay. I'm just going to make just a standard C major, just a root to get going with and probably just jump it up. Go for those who like scale turned on C major, look at that. As long as I compose within the yellow lines, I'm composing within the presumed key of this song. I say presumed because that hasn't been proven true yet. Okay. Make sure that's nice and low because serum is super loud. That sounds horrendous because me turning the unison on so much has made it ridiculous. Hmm. Maybe this one can have a few. Oh, God, that was terrible. Cool. That's, that's, that's how getting started. Then the next one can jump up, maybe to hear too far, maybe a little jump. Cool. And then I'm just copying and pasting it. Why did I make such a small stem? Good question. I thought I would not have the notes go this long. Maybe a little bit higher. M not bad thing. Maybe a little bit lower, but not quite as low. All right. I quite like that. I'm going to put them together, Command J, that's going to turn them into just one thing like that and not two. Then the next one again. Again, maybe it will be good. Maybe this one could be a little bit higher. Oh, so close. This one you know when you hear the chord that you hope it will be and then it's not, and then you got a. That's exactly what I wanted. I love it. Maybe it needs a bit of a reverb. I love my vahala, love it. I could be wrong. I may have to turn it off. I'm going to give it just a little one. My favorite with Bls Brass Black. Well, it's not my favorite. It's one of my favorites. Let's try it with the music. I'm going to command J again, make it one. I think I wanted it here. No, I didn't. I forget. Whoops, I muted it. Well, I should have listened to my original me, which thought the notes should be half as long as they ended up being. It doesn't match the music at all. With the notes being so long. Oh my gosh, so silly. I had that thought and I just ignored it. Now this thing is super long. Mm hmm. It doesn't line up well. This is annoying. This is what it takes when it's like AI is like someone I've worked with who's made a track and now I'm having to like line up with somebody else's track. Oh man, this is no good. Goes until here. Oh man. It's gonna be like composing for a movie where you need to change the lengths of everything to suit the film. Still a little bit early. Hmm, that's going to be intriguing. Well, this initial part is going to be a pain, but then once I got all the note values right, all the lengths and stuff right, then it will be fun probably to about and then it's here. All right? I think I kind of figured out how it's supposed to go, man. I think doing it with your vocals is going to be a lot better than doing it with Midi. With Midi, I guess, unless you're just like really patient, then it's fine because even then, it doesn't feel 100% on the mark. All right. That should be right. More or less that one's not right. That's so cool, man, I was like smacked in the face with the introduction of that baseline. I'm going to cut this cord here and I'm going to insert a midi track. I'm going to put it down here. Wait, what have I done? Copy. I forgot to copy it. I think I'm going to put it down here. How have I got serum set up? I'm going to put serum down here as well. Like this, I think that's all I did. But I'm going to put a longer reverb into it so that it kind of as a kind of a cooler transition from one to the other like that. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my God. I forgot about the volume. Gosh, serum is crazy with the volume. It could be more ambitious right there with everything in the same stem like it is here, it's so hard to see the wave forms and the drums. Where is the lead line? Everything's all just one just makes things challenging. Um, okay, so how does that track E? Okay, cool. There's a lot you could add to this, to be honest. But gosh, is it going to take time because you can't see the individual stems that goes into it? Definitely the smartest addition to AI generated tracks like this is going to be vocals. You could put a really cool sample over it. Either record it yourself or get one from somewhere else. And it's going to be a bit more successful than fiddling around with Midi like this, trying to get it exactly lined up. Although some people will find it, it'll go fine. Yeah, it depends on what you want to add and who you are. If you're a vocalist, just get those vocals in there. Right? Here's some vocals. I've dragged in cinematics. Ascension, 100 BPM C minor vocal. Not quite the right key, but still might fit anyway. First thing I want to do is see the warp here. It's going to warp it to our BPM. You would think that that would be awesome, but more often than not, it distorts the vocals too much. We really should be using vocals that suit our BPM naturally, sudo key signature. But let's see how it goes anyway. All right, it's way too much vocal, let's just move that away. Maybe just the first part was the there you go. It might be better with your own voice, With this type of track, you might want to just have yourself being like get down in the club. I don't know what people say in the tracks, but yeah, this definitively prove AI is ready for vocal sampling from you, for your own vocals that it wasn't before, but now it is. There's a lot more we can do and that's exciting. 6. That's It! : That's it for now. Things are changing all the time and version three of pseudo AI is indeed only in its alpha version there are going to be a lot of changes made once a proper version three comes out. I anticipate a lot of changes. Again, this space is changing constantly. I don't agree with people that say that AI is taking or will take all of the jobs of music producers and composers today. It's always going to need the human touch. It's always going to need people to guide it, to supplement what goes wrong. To give it prompts to move it forward and move it around. Where as producers we're not going anywhere. There may be a situation where producers aren't going to be needed who can't keep up with the technology and how things keep changing. But I don't think that we're going to become completely superfluous. So I completely recommend not ignoring AI because it's not going anywhere. But instead, educating yourself as best as you can so that you can keep up and you can remain employable as AI takes more and more of their responsibility off us and changes our role, which is going to become more and more supplementing what AI can't do. And guiding AI. And adding to AI, that's what I believe the future of music is going to involve. Thank you so much for joining me. If you would like to take part in other courses, I have lots more about composing for film, and for making Lofi and EDM tracks without AI, of course, and other stuff as well as well as music theory. If you enjoyed yourself or if you didn't, I would really appreciate if you would leave a review and start a discussion. If you have anything to add, if you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to chat with you also, I would love it if you would make something in Sono AI yourself and link it for me in the Projects tab so that I can check it out. I would love to do that and have a listen and see what you're able to generate. Thank you so much once again and I hope to see you again here real soon.