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User Acquisition: The 5 Keys to Acquiring New Users for Free

Vinicius Vacanti, Co-Founder and CEO of Yipit

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2 Lessons (58m)
    • 1. Lecture Video Part I (25:26) - PW: manwithacam

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    • 2. Lecture Video Part II (32:32) - PW: manwithacam

      32:32

About This Class

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The difference between a struggling startup and a "hot," funded startup is traction. Traction is having thousands of active users and signing up more users today than you did yesterday.

But, how do you get all those users to sign-up without spending money on advertising? Google SEM is too expensive. No one clicks on Facebook ads.

You may have word of mouth but without many users to spread the word, it will be a long, slow journey.

Both Yipit and Carbonmade have gotten to traction and acquired hundreds of thousands of users without spending money and in this class we share five techniques we used to accelerate our user growth.

This Class is Project-Based

You'll identify and apply a specific user acquisition strategy to your current project (or landing page) to increase your user numbers.

The final project deliverable will be to share your success story: using one of the channels we cover in class, share how you did.

How many users did you acquire? How'd you do it? How will you double down?

This Class is Open to Anyone

If you have a project you want to collect users for, great. If not you can easily create a free landing page at LaunchRock and drive users there. 

Transcripts

1. Lecture Video Part I (25:26) - PW: manwithacam: - I co founded yipit dot com. - The problem we solve is that there are a lot of sales and deals online, - and we take them all, - and we put him in one place that searchable where you could be recommended stuff you can - set up alerts, - etc. - Round two starts of the last eight years. - The 1st 1 was fried, - which is online voice for game players that they could get together. - They still that four years later and found a carbon made his online portfolio of artists - and designers and creative people recently the last six months of starting a new company. - Basically, - back office is a service and software solution for start ups and of all sizes, - thinking that offer plate how many accounts while you were carbon made that you guys sign - up, - I think we reach. - Think why left with just under 500,000 for self funded company so kind of a freemium model - . - So she needed more videos and need, - like an enhanced profile. - You pay $12 a month, - and then the other guys remain free customers. - And then ah yep, - it were getting very close to a 1,000,000 people having signed up um, - all of which has been free. - We haven't paid for any of our users. - I'd love to actually be able to pay, - but can't afford to pay for the users. - So we have to figure out ways to do that for free, - Which is true of many startups. - Um, - so, - uh, - one reason that we wanted sort of wanted to teach this class in the first place is that we - feel like, - um, - there's a lot of misinformation out there about whether user acquisition is even nothing - you need to worry about as a start up on. - And then what are the different ways in which you might want to go about doing that? - Um, - the biggest thing that I always heard was that great products sell themselves. - And when you hear that, - it's kind of like a huge relief because you're like, - Oh, - thank God, - all I have to do is build this amazing product, - and then everyone's going to sign up for my service, - and I'll never have to worry about it. - But that's not really true. - Great products do sell themselves. - They just do so very, - very slowly and in the world in which we live in a VC, - um, - and competition. - You can't afford to wait for your product to sell itself. - You need to figure out ways in which to speed up the rate of which your product sells - himself and behind any sort of company that you read about with millions and millions of - users and having all this success, - they have a great product undoubtedly. - But behind that great product is usually an even better user acquisition strategy. - Now, - you may say, - Well, - how come I never hear about any of this stuff? - What makes a lot of sense? - Because when these founders are interviewed by the German by journalists and journalists - asked him like, - How did you get so many users how to go? - You know, - they're going to say while our product is great and people just sign up and you know it's - word of mouth because what they don't want to say is like, - Well, - yeah, - we have word of mouth, - but secretly we figured out this hack on a CEO. - Therefore, - we acquire all these users and it's really just sort of like this brilliant side strategy - that we have, - like no one wants to talk about that What they want to talk about is how great their - product is. - So you end up in these situations where people, - um sort of overemphasize how much the product sells themselves and under emphasized the - fact that there's a lot of very smart user acquisition strategy happening in the background - . - Um, - but before you start thinking about sort of user acquisition, - I think it's really important for you to think about what user you're actually trying to - acquire, - because the answer isn't everybody. - There's usually sort of some target demos in which you're looking for. - You know, - When I started type Frag, - I guess it's now. - That was 2003. - So 10 years ago now it was possible to just build the best product in the market, - and you didn't really have to do much because there were so many fewer players out there. - But now, - in the last, - like I'd say, - 34 years, - it's social crowded market in especially in the consumer side. - I think it's people are starting to move to enterprise side in the last six months to a - year, - but especially the consumer side, - there's just like you always fighting for people's down those I fear an iPhone app, - and then only a very few make it. - If your Web app like how do you drive traffic there? - And there's just constant, - like overlapping products. - So anyway, - so I would say like and I'm definitely seeing this now more than ever in my current startup - is you need to identify who your user is. - That's kind of like Step one. - And if you don't know who that person is, - it's probably cause you're not doing enough customer development. - And I think a lot of startups nowadays are so product focused. - They've got a couple engineers. - They've got a designer and, - like some of the leading product, - and they're like they're constantly in building and it got a road map of. - This is what I'm gonna do This is going to do. - But if you don't first understand and go out and speak to customers like try to sell the - product to them first, - even before the product does anything, - you're never gonna understand what to build. - And this whole thing of like fast operation is great. - But that tends only come once you start having some sort of user base, - and you started knowing like what these people are asking, - and then it's just a question of reaching out there, - finding out what specific needs that these people have in applying it to your product. - So if you're spending three months, - six months in stealth mode, - you're never gonna get anywhere and something I've been building my recent product is that - I've like we barely spent maybe three weeks out of the last 34 months actually building - product. - We've been going out speaking to customers and trying to solve their needs. - And a lot of this solutions that we're seeing right now is we're solving it with a service - level. - And then we started to build attack to support service level. - So that's a really good thing to do. - Um, - ways to identify users. - One I say is, - You know, - if you have something to ship, - ship it sooner rather later, - and I think it really good job with this, - Then you can start seeing kind of where the traffics coming and maybe you got picked up in - a blogger or something, - and you can start to identify who exactly your users are. - And if those people are starting to sign up, - you can say, - Oh, - what was their audience? - Who were there? - Demographics. - And it's hard to kind of play on that role. - So first user acquisition strategy is one that you'll see. - I think a lot more on the West Coast. - Fewer start ups in the East Coast. - Really think about it. - Um, - and that is search engine optimization Seo. - Um, - the way I think about this thes kinds of user acquisition strategies is, - first I think of it, - What is the opportunity? - And the second question you want to answer it is, - Is it for you? - Is it for the product that you are building doesn't meet this opportunity on search engine - optimization? - The big opportunity is this really amazing thing, - which is that all of us every day go to Google all the time and we just type in queries, - and we expect Google to point us in the right direction. - That is a tremendous, - tremendous fountain of user acquisition that is available to any start up. - Now, - the question you have to ask yourself, - is there a lot of people are there a lot of people typing in questions into Google queries - into Google that your start up can somehow be the definitive answer to that question. - Now let's talk about give you a bunch of examples, - so I'll start with you The queries that people are typing into Google every day is there - typing in restaurant deals, - New York or they're typing in shake Shack deals or Hill Country deals. - So they're typing in a business name, - deals or they're typing in a category. - Maybe a city deals. - Yep, - it has built a bunch of landing pages that we aim to be the definitive response to those - queries and that allows us to sign up a bunch of users on a daily basis. - Because Google we basically put out all these landing pages. - They're all indexed by Google. - And then when people type in these queries, - we show up on that list and we sign up those users. - Now you may think O s io that can't be that big a deal. - It's actually huge deal for many, - many startups that you've heard of. - Another example is stack overflow, - um, - stack overflow day type in a developer Ever when I was building the original version of - Yipit, - I've run into all these problems and what do you do you take the air message and you pasted - into Google, - and then you're hoping for a definitive answer to that air message. - What turns out Stack overflow precisely does that they come up with definitive answers. - Two types of queries, - two types of questions like that programming questions. - Another example is Yelp. - Their huge S CEO story Yelp. - What people type in type in business name because they're looking for information, - looking for photos, - looking for a phone number. - Maybe they want to know if it's a good business or they type in category searchers. - So they're like best restaurants. - Chelsea, - If ever go to Yelp School down all the way to the bottom where they have, - like the crazy stuff and start clicking around and you're going to see this wild world of - like, - recent searches go click on this little thing called recent searches at the bottom. - And it's just this like weird, - nonsensical, - huge list that obviously no users actually going through there helping Google index all of - that content for them. - So they've created these landing pages for all sorts of weird sort of combinations of what - people are typing online. - Um, - a bunch of Other examples I would give is, - um, - Cora does how they get a bunch of their users. - Amazon itself, - people Google products they land on the Amazon page is always the first result hunch when - they were around, - that's how they signed up a lot of people stuff like how cast they signed up a lot of - people through S E O. - Um, - remember, - the opportunity is there's a bunch people searching every day. - Can you take the content that you create and provide the definitive response to that query - ? - So the car made, - everyone got their own portfolio, - and the way we did that is your named carmen dot coms. - We gave everyone their own unique two main aim at the bottom. - We had little car made length so their friends could see kind of where this beautiful - portfolio was built. - They could link back to it, - and what we started to see is what been said is that people would search for persons name, - and Carter made what appears like the top search result because not only to be put, - it is the title, - but we put in the about page. - You put as many places that we could for the names. - So whenever anyone did a name, - search on someone card made portfolio choke first. - So we did that a long time. - We also did. - We would aggregate all the artists of a certain county courts a photography illustration so - forth and list all the illustrators under there. - So people did, - like illustrator and then someone's name that they would appear topped there, - too. - So something that thin was saying was create these little sites where you highly highly - focus s CEO around and build basically the site based on the S E. - O. - So write the copy, - right? - What keepers you want to target and then go the design and then build the code for their - certain ways that you can do it. - And if you like Google s CEO tactics, - you can figure it out. - But you know, - h one tags h two tags. - Very important Title tax are very important. - You know what you've folded in a paragraph can also add weight to it, - and then linking from other services can help us. - Well, - that's how we kind of did it. - A card man. - It was very, - very successful in terms of the pros of S e o The way you think about it is you're looking - for. - If you're starting was really gonna make it, - you need a repeatable, - um, - sales process repeatable, - scalable sales process, - right. - You need to figure out some way in which you're gonna add more users. - And as your user base grows, - it's gonna add even more User is gonna get growing. - Growing prose with the CEO is that it scales with your content. - So especially have user generated content so that you know, - something like help. - They're constantly writing reviews, - constant writing reviews. - The more reviews they write, - the better those business pages get the mawr relevant search results they get for all types - of weird queries. - So the bigger their audience got, - the more constant they were able to create good landing pages with, - the more they were able to attract a seo traffic. - Um, - the other big pro is CEO, - um is huge in terms of what can break. - If you really nail it on S e o, - it could really make your business. - It could be the thing that gets you sort of 75 80% of all of your new users and if you look - at a lot of sites I was talking about Stack, - Overflow and Cora. - A lot of them rely primarily on S CEO to get a bunch of their new users and traffic. - Here's the big, - big con toe CEO and one that I sweat about every day, - which is that ultimately you are beholden to Google's out. - So if you think about it, - you're signing up all these users every day, - every day, - and then you'll hear this murmur right coming from like the S e o world. - And it's like, - Oh, - you know, - there might be some sort of update to the algorithm and, - like, - really badly is they give him, - like, - these little names like pandas. - Right. - So, - like, - uh, - panda update comes around and literally overnight your traffic and fall off 40 50%. - Think about it like you're telling your veces everything is going really well. - Your investor they've been going with and literally overnight. - You have to explain to them that you just lost 40% of your new users. - You were adding, - you know, - 2000 years ago today, - now you're only adding 1200. - Today it's demoralizing, - right? - And then What do you gotta do? - You gotta react to Pan. - Then you gotta fix your stuff. - Look, - you might get there. - Might not. - But keep in mind that it is like you are beholding to the algorithm. - Every day. - You get traffic from them. - It's a gift, - and it's a gift that could be taken away. - For instance, - Yelp, - I'm sure suffered from this When Google all of a sudden decided you know what? - They're gonna create Google places. - And now, - when you search in there and create Google local, - and now when you search restaurants, - New York used to be a help was the very first thing. - Now you can't even see yelp because Google will actually know you restaurants in New York - on Google, - you get like the 10 Google results first, - right? - So now everyone starts cooking on those results overnight, - you'll probably got literally hammered by that Google change. - So keep in mind, - Google may even launch a competitor in your own space, - and they're gonna just start showing their results above yours. - You have to be careful about that. - Um, - opportunity number two. - Um, - way to think about acquiring users is PR, - um, - the opportunity is, - you know, - very kind of obviously, - that journalists write articles every day. - They have to find new things to write about. - And people like to read what? - You know journalists, - right? - Is it for you? - I think a lot of startups way, - way over focus on this concept of a launch. - Um, - launch press is great. - You can get it. - You know, - you'll get some people to sign up. - It's a great way to get some initial users to jump start your site. - It is not a long term, - repeatable, - scalable sales process. - You're not gonna be able to get people to write about your launch every other day. - Obviously, - you launch ones, - but it's a great way to get some initial users jump starting to have some network effects, - etcetera. - Test what your concepts are. - Get some feedback, - etcetera. - The other press strategy that you can try to employ is to basically put yourself is part of - a trend. - Yep, - It we really benefited from this. - Initially, - we got a ton of users this way, - and that trend was that there was in 2010 and in 2011 there was this big story about group - on being the fastest growing company in history. - And then all of these clones that were coming after right LivingSocial on by with Me and - Tipper and then Google offers was competing with them. - So all these journalists kept every time there was a new one of these, - they would write another article about Oh my God, - there's so many of them. - And guess what? - Yep, - it at the Bulls at the bottom of every single article and at the end of the beach, - articles like there's even an aggregator fall of these things and they would link to Yep, - it. - And we guess what? - People reading that article, - They're like, - Oh my God, - there's so many of them Oh, - there's a convenient aggregator So they were all click on that and then sign up. - We got on Good Morning, - America. - We were on CNN. - We're on The New York Times three times in a month, - all without a PR agency, - all without any outbound. - This was literally they were just inbound writing about us because we're able to put - ourselves in part of a trend. - How did they know about you? - But the way this kind of works is a journalist. - If you're able to put yourself in one of these articles as a journalist, - you can imagine you're tasked with writing about this new trend. - You're like, - Oh, - my God. - What? - I don't know anything about this. - They google it, - and what do they do? - They read it in an article about it, - and then they read the article and says, - Yep, - it on it. - And then they google it again and they see another article that says, - Yep, - it So they're like, - Oh, - I got include dip it as well. - So now they know about you. - But so once you get the nice thing is, - once you sort of get into that trend, - you'll stay. - In that trend, - people will continually right about you. - The bad news is, - someday the trend stops being written about right. - The group No. - One, - No one is writing anymore about like have you heard about right at this point everyone's - heard about so eventually that goes away and you have to be prepared for that. - You have to have a long term user acquisition strategy is you have to adjust after that - sort of happened. - Is that active on your part? - where you knew some reporters covering you were reaching out for the first few, - at least where they recover When you say, - Hey, - I'm an aggregator or were they just actively saying Here's a few? - And so the question is, - how much outreach did we have to do initially to get to get involved? - Part of the nice thing about being on TechCrunch early on and getting on we're in Wired - magazine is that some of those early reporters caught on um But we did 1/3 thing, - which is actually how we did most of our outreach very early on, - and then we sort of didn't do it. - And it happened. - The third way in which you can get some press is if you become sort of a data source for - the industry. - So in our industry, - we said, - whoa, - you know, - there's all this interesting stuff happening with Groupon living social. - So we started providing market share data like how I was group on doing relative to living - social, - And how did they do this month and how did you do last month? - Um, - what I can say is that was good for getting the attention of investors and getting the - attention of other journalists. - Being a data source in an article isn't going to sign up a lot of users, - as you can imagine. - Like, - people read these articles and like, - according to you, - but data no consumers like I got a sign of rip it, - you know, - there's like, - I mean, - have you ever signed up for you know, - the blank data source of an article you're reading about? - Like no, - right. - That being said, - we happen to also have a data business. - So it's actually great marketing or use a requisition for our data business, - cause then people who are interested in getting mawr of this data, - they would call us up. - So that was great. - Um, - a lot of companies do. - This usually works much better in a B two b context. - Um, - for Spencer startup, - he might. - He might if he wanted to do something on the press release side on the back office stuff. - He might be a way to sort of release some interesting data about recruiting or whatever it - was he was working on. - And in. - Startups would read these articles and they'd be like, - You know what? - Who is this company, - and then you might want to sort of call him up and see if they're interested. - Um, - the only consumer company I've seen ask if anyone else is a good example of using data in a - way that actually got more users. - Um, - consumer interest, - I thought was OK. - Cupid. - OK, - keep it. - Took a lot of their profiles and ran all these interesting analysis about, - like, - a za guy. - You're supposed to look into the picture or look away from the picture, - right? - It's like, - Amazing. - I mean, - who doesn't want to read that? - Like So there's all these interesting stuff about whether, - you know, - as a girl, - do you want to be a seven or a 10? - You know, - there's all this is the questions, - believe or not you Well, - it's like how consistently like do you want to be by other guys? - So there's always really interesting stuff, - and they would people their stuff would get picked up dramatically. - And then I think they were able to turn all of that into sort of usage into new years or so - . - I thought that worked really well for them. - So, - you know, - my summary on sort of the PR stuff is on the pro side. - It's a great way to get some initial users. - It doesn't take a lot of word of mouth on the con. - Side is, - it's not really sort of long term, - sustainable growth. - You're gonna find very few very successful startups that will say PR was everything for us - . - PR also, - incidentally, - helps you on a CEO. - Ah, - lot of that PR generates inbound links into your site, - which then Google values your site more and is going to rank them up on search terms more, - more often, - talking a little bit about like the data is an acquisition strategery. - Um, - I can't think that kind of falls under two under content marketing, - which we talk a little bit, - but it also helps with Seo and stuff like that. - And if you can really become a thought leader in your space, - so people kind of go to you as as the source, - it helps a lot, - especially for you know, - um, - enterprise companies. - So you could be the dedicated source for X information like, - how do you set up your payroll provider? - Like what? - You know, - benefits package that pick no one was really like owning that, - and if you go directly to this providers, - then you know you're going to get it by a source. - But if you can kind of get like some sort of IRA Gator and it kind of teach everyone, - this is the way you should do it because no Foursquare doesn't this way and and yet it does - it this way and kind of become that source. - So content marketing. - It's kind of like a very important strategy that kind of goes along with it. - We've best store waste of money, - and it's striking that works with PR agencies wore on paper place. - And then basically, - you tear a division that actually were relevant to your partner audience. - And you said the menu prices paid most. - Yeah, - I just find that PR's the We'll probably think that that placement is worth a lot more than - it actually is, - which is so like, - yeah, - I love to do a play station where it's like, - Oh, - I'll pay you $50 Thank you. - So you have to You have to have it where you think that's a very smart way of approaching - it a different way, - and I would recommend you look at it that way. - It makes more sense, - right? - Accountability and it's commission based. - But you still have to make sure that the math works out like it's gotta see how many users - you signed up like. - You'd be surprised. - But being on TV, - isn't that great? - Because when you're on TV, - most people like you know you're on TV, - so someone's watching on TV, - like often Do you sign up for something because you saw it on TV right there, - usually not in front of your computer. - There's no direct link, - a lot of which is forget. - If they don't hear it again, - it's just gone etcetera, - whereas you know something like from a PR basis. - The top, - um, - the top sign up sources that I've experiences Lifehacker. - They are a monster. - You get on, - my factory will sign up. - We once had a different project. - That was in a list of five things that Lifehacker wrote about. - We were actually the thing that they were saying not to sign up for, - he said. - This is the bad version of the things that we're recommending, - and we still sign up like 4000 people being the bad thing on the list of five other great - stuff are like the daily emails were really good thrills of the world and daily candy in - the world. - You get mentioned in those things that could have a pretty big impact. - Um, - Nelson Consumerist Anyone reads that log. - And if you could just treat your customers very well, - hopefully one of them are right consumers and saying talking about this amazing experience - that they have, - we had someone. - This lady had me refund her after five months ago. - She cancer account Anderson confusion. - She wrote this long piece saying how he was going to our school, - she could afford a car made refunded or six months worth of payments. - Evolved, - got consumers. - And it actually made us, - like thousands of dollars. - So you know, - it's true. - Your users well can lead to that story that it shows up like fashion consumers, - other sources, - more questions. - PR, - Yes. - Yeah, - the becoming a big star. - You other people. - Hey, - this is for you. - So sounds like you could kill two birds per se. - I guess I'm not so sure why, - You know, - I think validating your customers a lot like the researcher doing on the data side, - I think, - Is it, - like, - is not gonna go a long way, - In my opinion, - invalidating the customer The best way to validate a customer is to get in front of them of - the product or trying to sell them and seeing it go everybody. - I think there's a lot of emphasis placed on research and, - you know, - having some abstract view of how the industry will play out. - But the best way to validate a customer is just getting from that customer. - Ask him, - you know, - showing your product and see if they're willing to. - By the way to play it the way to open your email, - read your emails. - I always welcome in that way more to validate customers. - I feel like a lot of people do surveys, - so they send out all these surveys. - So they're like 100 friends. - But like I could write a survey that will always guaranteed everyone will love what I'm - about to build because, - like, - you know, - people are answering these surveys there, - usually kind of biased to say, - Oh yeah, - and then I was like, - Look, - it's a real idea, - 100 people told me that they really want this. - But you know that if the and you're like oh, - pay $5 for and everyone's like Wow, - you see, - I just don't have it right now You know, - it's like any people that you know with their money where their mouth is. - The best way to do customer felt you because you can sign up 10 25 different companies like - for us. - And if no one's pain, - it doesn't really say anything right in your product. - Probably nothing you can, - I think, - charge less traditional customers like 50% off. - It is long paying something monthly yearly or whatever. - I think that's the best way for you to understand yours. - The 1st 500,000 users is the most difficult. - Once you have those users, - I understand your audience better. - You just find more people like that because they're 1,110,000 people just like those guys. - But one thing to just Addis with hard made. - Originally for six months, - everyone was like Oh, - you know, - needs to be a Web development to create tools. - They use carbon and so forth, - and you should add all these features and I don't know those people would pay us money. - So we just, - like, - you know, - vocals back. - The people that are paying us money where they didn't know each didn't notice it since we - built a part for that and those with people with dollars. - So you gotta be careful. - Don't go in. - Provide support features for the guys that are gonna pay anything. - Make sure focus around users that 2. Lecture Video Part II (32:32) - PW: manwithacam: - So let's go ahead to the third user acquisition. - So that recap one is the CEO to his PR. - The third is Always think of it as explicit invites. - The opportunity here is that people are generally willing to explicitly invite their - friends to use your service. - The reason why is many fold, - but the main one is that people sort of, - um, - thankfully, - people want to feel like they're the ones that introduced their friends to this cool new - thing. - You know, - like here's like other people introducing kayak It's like, - Oh, - you search for flights like kayak. - It's so smart, - like the best way to search for flights. - And you get some, - like, - weird satisfaction out of being the person that recommended this thing to your friend. - Thank God, - because that means get word of mouth worth. - The challenge with word of mouth growth is unfortunately, - it's dependent on a number of mouths. - There are to spread your word right, - so ultimately, - if you don't have that many mouths and you don't have any users and you're growing and I - have a certain word of mouth growth, - it's gonna take a long time for that, - actually to go anywhere. - So even though people are nice enough to do that, - sometimes you want toe pushed him along a little bit more the first way in which you get - people to explicitly invite friends. - So yep, - it We've never successfully done this, - but I've seen a lot of other companies be successful with, - and I'll show you some characteristics placement characteristics that make them successful - . - For instance, - when people used to send up the very first version of Yipit, - the fourth sign up screen, - I took a I took this picture of Jim. - I'd just come and take a picture of my co founder, - Jim and myself, - and we both put on glasses and we had, - like, - these like, - really like, - sad looking like clothes on. - And we had, - like, - I had hand written a thank you on a white billboard, - and we were both waving like it was like the nerdiest sadist looking picture. - And it was like, - you know, - like we're gonna find every deal for you if you could just help us out and, - like, - recommend this you know, - to your friends via Facebook or Twitter and or email and like, - you know, - that's like the pathetic request for someone to invite people. - Turns out, - people are very selfish online. - And even though we had done this, - what I thought was an unbelievably pathetic picture, - people still didn't really meaningfully engage with it. - The best way to really get into people to invite their friends is to make it selfish for - them to invite their friends. - So the idea is it's truly better. - Their experience on your service is truly better if their friends are on it. - So examples of stuff like that is like Twitter, - you know? - Follow me on Twitter, - right? - Come following. - Why did they do that? - Because they wanted to show tell you about a bunch of interesting stuff? - Nope. - The reason why they did that because they were embarrassed that their Twitter follower - number was so low. - And they're constantly trying basically get that Twitter number higher so that they can - feel like, - you know, - they can feel better about themselves. - So, - uh, - Twitter had a very successful way of doing that. - People on Facebook, - they wanted more friends early on, - so they didn't want to just go on Facebook and have, - like, - three friends and look sort of lame in front of all of the other people that were on the - service. - Um, - now you see a bunch of brand saying, - you know, - more fans on Facebook there was trying to get more fans on Facebook. - A good example of selfish is Group me. - Um, - you know, - basically, - group me doesn't work really well unless you invite your friends to use that service right - to get your bunch of your friends on there so that you can do it on your ski trip or - whatever house. - So you definitely want a service. - If you can think about your service that way, - where it's selfish in their best interest to actually invite their friends cause it makes - the experience better, - that works really well. - Um, - the other way to really incentivize people to invite people is to reward them, - Um, - something that this usually happens when you have a service where you have this thing that - the user values more than it costs you. - So the example there is, - like dropbox. - You value storage from drop box. - And Dropbox has put a price on how much storage should cost. - Right. - And what Dropbox would say is if you invited a friend, - they would give you more storage, - and what was great about that is you thought you were getting X dollars. - But really, - it costs Dropbox a lot less than acts to provide that service for you. - Gilt groupe. - They did this a lot by giving people a $20 credit for guilt. - That's great for them because you think $20 goes like $20. - But for guilt, - $20 on guilt is actually probably like $10. - Then costume is much, - especially when you consider the fact that maybe some of that $20 wasn't even used up - because people walked away or whatever the case may have happened from very early on, - we decided, - I think, - to our detriment that we wouldn't be a social service and we would silo every portfolio - because ideas of portfolio is not a social experience. - And you know, - your work shouldn't be seen with comments around and so forth. - And some of our more recent competitors, - like the hands and others, - have kind of surpassed car made in growth because of this kind of sharing and social thing - . - And what they've done really well is it's this idea of like someone do que props or like - you're a piece of work. - It kind of filters up and you kind of start to get more followers. - And they've separated that whole social component to the portfolio itself and something - that we had talked about doing early on. - But we decided not to do it and just stick to the portfolio of by itself. - But, - um, - to our regret somewhat but idea that want ad Teoh finish that I think the world class in - terms of giving away something for free, - is the free poker bonus sites that people have. - You know that they're willing to give you $5100 treated sign of your friends and get you - some money as well. - Um, - because they know they're gonna go instead. - More money. - That's like a very good thing. - And if you can kind of create those cliffs where you you get might get 20 hours of guilt, - but you have to spend $50 to get that money back. - That's a great strategy as well. - Three data. - When the user experience, - it's best to let people know that by sharing with friends, - actually a lot of users because it seems like people are People are very share that until - at some point in the experience like so the awesome thing is, - it ultimately depends on the product that you're building. - And when you demonstrate value, - the awesome thing is like you don't have to look into data because you can just tested. - You could just try it. - In the beginning, - you can try it in the middle. - You can try, - and in the end you confined in an email you can find on the web. - Tried everywhere, - everywhere until it so it works. - I'll tell you what, - he will do it together because this is sort of the downfall of this strategy. - So pro of the strategy is when a friend invites another friend, - it's an awesome thing, - right? - Cause you're getting so that this personal recommendation from someone to sort of join this - service, - the Pro is it could be really big if you figure out the funnel right. - So if you get it so that you know, - significant number of friends are inviting people of those people, - the message is good enough that people sign up, - and then those. - When those people sign up, - it creates sort of this viral loop because then so for 1000 people get 500 people to sign - up. - Well, - then, - those No 500 people, - they're gonna get 252 people. - Sign up, - right? - It's a geometric progression, - right? - So it's basically like 1000 people is actually 2000 people. - All of a sudden, - you basically double how many new users you're signing up just to this invite mechanism - because of that, - very interesting. - And the the higher that percentage gets, - the crazier that math gets. - And if that goes above one, - then you're in, - like you know, - you probably you. - I'd love to hear about how you got there. - Now here's the big con is that it's actually hard to get that percentage to be high. - If you think about it. - Here's why people do it right the beginning because for every 100 will sign up for a site, - maybe 20. - Come back right after that initial sign up. - So you know the question of whether you do it right on it right away or later is now you're - gonna get to pitch the 20 as opposed to pitching to 100. - All right, - so maybe people pitch to those 100 cause it, - even if that 20 is is good. - Is it five times better than if you were pitching to those 100? - So you think about the math. - It gets really scary, - which is 100 people sign up every day. - Let's they undergo a suicide every day. - What percentage of them are willing to invite people? - Maybe 10% maybe 5%. - And I only talking five or 10 or inviting How many people did they invite? - Maybe two people, - maybe three people. - So you're talking 15 20 people, - right of those people. - How many of those respond and sign up for your site? - Maybe 5% respond to an invite. - Email, - maybe 10%. - Right now you're talking like one or two people. - All right, - so, - like that doesn't look very good. - You went from signing up 100 people to getting an extra one or two a day. - That's not very good, - right? - So that math can get pretty scary pretty quick, - and then you got to think about. - That's why it's so important that it's in their selfish interest because you got to get - that 10% toe like 30% or 40%. - And then what you really want to get this is the secret to the whole explosive invites is, - uh, - all all the real value is generated when people don't invite one people. - But invite everybody, - right? - Because if you're having your convincing your users to invite just one other person and - you're not gonna get much out of it, - the good stuff, - the real good stuff is when they email like 100 people telling you to sign up. - That's where you get some real bang for your buck. - But, - you know, - then you start getting into all sorts of weird things like Are you being a spammer? - Right. - Is your side spanning? - People are People are upset. - They didn't realize that they were voting. - Not many people want invite 100 people, - right? - So, - like, - were you kind of which she watching with the language when they were signing up? - Right. - You start getting into all sorts of gray areas. - I've always been kind of obvious benefit of the female form you filled out. - What I prefer is to kind of give your users some sort of link or profile cage or something - that can share with other people that they kind of feel proud of. - So you know, - whether it's like a little Twitter but in our countries. - But in our our case is a carbon for polar. - They share with their friends because they want to kind of show piece of themselves to the - world. - And that way, - kind of their friends are gonna quick. - Oh, - this is interesting. - I want one too. - So it's not exactly, - you know, - spamming putting everyone's email address. - It's kind of sharing service that you're hoping that other people come back to. - And it's says owners of these companies were selfish because we want more people shares - well, - so you can make that easy. - Share your portfolio to Twitter shared this Facebook that conspired words. - Um, - your point you just made before about 100 users and then 20 may come back. - I guess this is more attention, - but what do you think about digest emails or something that do give them value is a way to - get them back? - Do they actually work? - And these present Twitter, - where they'll give you a week's worth of summary of notable stories that you may have - missed? - Ah, - digest emails are monsters and getting people to come back to your service. - They're really strong. - Twitter send you emails because they know what they're doing. - They send emails because they obviously work. - They will take all this time to send you a summer email because they want to make sure that - you caught up on your news. - Um, - digest emails. - Uh uh, - you know, - Facebook. - They send you so many emails about every little thing that happened on your site because - they're really smart. - Because every time they send you an email, - you come back to Facebook, - and that's how they get you back. - So, - um, - I highly highly recommend as a daily email company. - Highly recommend that you send emails to your users is a retention mechanism to that end, - Um, - an email, - uh, - the battle is waged on the subject line. - Um, - if you think about it, - how many so many emails do you look at where you never go past the subject line? - You have to be really, - really thoughtful about the subject line. - Getting people excited. - Facebook is like a person's name. - Tagged a photo of you. - You're like holy shit like that is like you. - Yeah, - you're like, - What is this picture? - Like, - all my friends were seeing it right now. - Someone just made fun of me. - Like your your like, - freaking out. - Like Facebook, - for instance. - Used to say someone sent you a message and they wouldn't even put the message in there. - So you have to click to go to Facebook to read that message. - Do you think that they technically could have probably figured out a way to get that - message in your email? - Sure. - But then you wouldn't have gone back to Facebook. - And Facebook knows what they're doing. - Right? - So, - um, - so sorry. - So this is sort of getting us to the fourth point. - The fourth user acquisition strategy. - This is probably the hottest one right now, - um, - to focus on and this is the implicit invite. - Now, - the opportunity here is that when people use your product, - um, - your service, - um there's an opportunity for them to for you to get them to demonstrate to others that - they are using your product or service. - Now, - is this for you? - Um, - it's not for everyone, - but the startups who get this right are the start. - If you read about in the news and the startups that don't get it. - Writer startups that struggle to find other ways to grow. - But, - um, - the best best way to do this is by example, - the The earliest example that I know of is a great example. - Is Hotmail Um, - when Hotmail came around? - Believe it. - Another time, - there wasn't really free Web mail for consumers. - Everyone got their email through work or maybe through school and Hotmail is this constant - people free Web mail. - So they launched Hotmail, - and it's kind of growing, - you know, - But it's not really taking off, - you know, - it's growing, - it's good. - But, - you know, - it's a great product, - but now it's selling itself, - but not that well. - And then what Hotmail does is on. - It's actually now a huge dispute. - I read about between the original V C and the entrepreneurs to whose idea this waas. - But the idea was at the bottom of every Hotmail email. - They were gonna put in a little thing that said, - you know, - sent using, - you know, - my new free email service, - Hotmail. - And as soon as they added that it literally turned into a virus like a soon as anyone would - email so they would see it. - Someone one, - email someone in Paris and then immediately all around Paris, - they would get like, - accounts, - signed up, - and then someone would email like Munich and then really around Munich, - all these people would sign up, - and that's my whole point is like great products do sell themselves, - but there are ways to make it so that it's a lot easier on great products, - and this is such a simple thing. - So Carbon made is a great example of this. - So Spencer said, - Oh, - it's night, - you know, - not every startup could do a carbon, - made it, - and it was awesome that Carbon had this opportunity. - But by using carbon made is to create a portfolio. - What people do when they have portfolios, - do they secretly keep them hidden in the box? - Now they actually linked to them everywhere, - right? - They put him in their email footers, - etcetera. - So whenever anyone went to carbon made, - carpet made would have grown a lot slower if they didn't have a little link at the bottom, - right somewhere or wherever it is that they had the little plug that says, - you know, - created by carbon made like use carbon made or some like that. - I bet if you remove that little link, - you'd like collapse in terms of new user growth. - So, - um, - this is a about that me very similar to carbonate in the sense of people create, - like, - an account for themselves. - You know, - you've got about that me paid, - you know, - Is it about that page? - And there's usually a plug somewhere to sign up for. - About that me account. - Um, - it's, - um, - this example of, - um whenever it is that you ever constant your users create if you can somehow attach - yourself. - Here's a NAWF line example which I love Izaak Sports. - They're so good at this, - right? - What? - How does anyone know how zahk sports is good at this T shirts on Saturday and Sunday. - You can't walk around New York City without seeing a sock sports T shirt. - So what? - The exports could easily just not put stock sports on that T shirt, - right? - And if they did, - no one really know about Doc sports. - I doubt it would have taken off as well as it did. - But now you walk around and you see all these people happily walking, - sweating from there like volleyball game and a kickball game where they're playing a game - and they'll have a saw. - Exports, - export socks, - boards, - A great example of like little things like that. - Attaching your brand. - Attaching your message somehow onto um, - the users of your service is a great way to sign up a bunch of the users. - Geek Squad is a great example, - you know, - Wherever they go, - you see the brand everywhere you see on their uniforms are walking around, - which is a great thing. - Tumbler, - that really interesting way and apartment. - What they saw BSU is that they would. - They were trying. - They were constantly looking where they're traffic came from and who was using couple. - Early on, - they found that a big segment of future based, - almost like 50% of a huge number early on from the Philippines and trying to understand, - like wise it. - What is it about tumbler that people in the Philippines love so much? - And they start their like started, - create support people around that do customer development around that they just grew out. - That entire section and team created language filters for specifically for Filipino people - , - and they really smart early on about looking at the exact trapping and where it came from - Terminal Prock decisions. - And that's something that you you know, - it goes back a little bit today, - these air developments. - But we kind of looked at that, - and I did that really well. - And Rick are made to Vince Point. - We saw. - I think something like 30 40% of all of our traffic. - All of our science is just this little. - But in the bottom, - I think 50% that the other side was Facebook and Twitter, - people sharing the profiling. - So it's always a sharing culture that got us a lot of our users. - Five years ago, - there wasn't there wasn't a lot of sharing. - There wasn't really people didn't have Twitter accounts, - didn't have Facebook accounts that they were actively sharing on. - There wasn't sort of like this push to Facebook pushed to Twitter mentality. - That is really big. - Now, - um, - there are two types of startups right now, - they're the started that are pushing aggressively to Facebook and Twitter and then the - start of the dirt and the ones that are having a lot of success, - and the ones that don't are struggling to find other ways to grow users. - It can be done. - We don't get to push anything to Facebook and Twitter. - Um ah, - great example of that is something like four square. - When Foursquare sort of came upon, - um came out, - it was like in 2009. - Um at the time, - Twitter's message was, - What are you doing right now? - And that's why people used to say, - I don't remember Twitter back then, - but people would say like I just showered like I'm brushing my teeth because like, - that's what you're What am I doing right now? - That's what you would sort of say, - right? - And then, - um, - and so foursquare whenever you checked in anywhere they would say push it to Twitter. - And at the time people were pushing the Twitter cause that's what I'm doing. - It's a lot better than brushing my teeth, - which is what I normally come up with, - because it's not what I'm reading. - It's not what's interesting. - It's not like with thought I'm having now. - It's like what's happening right now. - Right now, - it's like they've changed that that query. - So now people don't say anymore like I'm brushing my teeth a lot a lot of gold, - but at the time you totally look at people's Twitter feeds. - And it was just like Fourscore trick and Fourscore check and fourscore chicken foursquare - check. - It was just like everywhere, - and people were honest because, - like, - that's what I'm doing right now. - I'm using the service the way it's intended. - Um, - so foursquare really, - really benefited from that. - And then Fourscore benefited from that on Facebook because when you check in somewhere and - you check in at the Yankees game, - you kind of want to brag to all your friends that your at the Yankees game So you push it - to Facebook, - right? - And like there's a picture of you and your like, - you know, - etcetera. - But guess what you're doing in all of that when all your Facebook friends are looking at - what they see on the bottom, - they see, - like this person is using foursquare like that's a great implicit invitation for them to go - . - Try fit to try foursquare. - If you know Foursquare's really aggressive, - like they have sticky, - sticky buttons, - which means that if you push it once to Facebook the next time you go to check in, - it's default pushed the Facebook. - You have to remember like you can't remember to turn that off or else it gets pushed again - . - Facebook four scores Really good about getting all the badges put. - Push to Twitter. - Right? - So it's like, - Look how much fun this person's having. - They just got, - like, - the player, - please badge, - right. - And like Oh, - my God, - I wish I was having that much fun, - right? - Another example of that and this is huge is instagram. - Um, - Instagram has had tremendous. - There was actually plenty of other services that had great filtering, - great image editing in the APP store. - Instagram is the one that got the sharing part. - Really? - Well, - well done. - So on Instagram, - it's like, - you see your friends start showing up on Facebook with, - like, - this amazing picture you're like, - there's no way that guy knows how to take a picture that good. - So when you see, - like, - what is this instagram and you click on it and then boom, - there's a huge landing page pitches you to sign up for instagram. - Um and really this is, - like, - really big the way you sort of think about it. - Whether your startup has a chance to get into the zone is you want something that I think - of as many too many sharing. - And the way you're gonna get in the zone is if it's something where you use your to you use - your someone uses your service a bunch on a daily basis, - maybe on a weekly basis. - They do a bunch of stuff, - and when they want to share it, - they don't want to share with one person. - They want to share it with everyone, - meaning whatever content that they've created on your service, - whatever action they've taken, - they think is of interest to their entire network. - Right, - So a great example of that is like, - um, - foursquare is something you check in many times, - but you're many times you go to different places and then you want you want to share that - with all your friends so that they know where you are. - Instagram. - You take many pictures and you want to share those pictures with many friends. - There's no real reason something that's bad for Yep, - it is. - Let's say you like a specific offer. - You're not gonna miss really want to share that offer with all of your friends because - maybe they don't live in New York. - It's on applicability to them, - right? - There's all these issues of like, - applicability is the action that you've taken of interest to your many audience, - and it makes a lot of sense to sort of baked this kind of stuff in really early on. - Um, - and to really maybe even adjust how your startup work so that you can you can hang. - You can get attached to this. - All that being said, - there's definitely some super aggressive companies recently, - vividly. - And, - um, - what's name of the other video company social camp. - They were crazy, - aggressive, - like I had an experience where I signed up for and I'm like, - I got to check this out and I'm always check out stuff. - And then I'm like looking through these videos and I'm seeing which very minor watch. - And then I go and I pick the Batman trailer. - This is like, - you know, - a year ago, - whatever nine months ago and I watched the Batman trail and then all of a sudden I get a - little Facebook. - Notification from not from Spencer is from someone else saying, - like I can't wait to see that movie, - too, - and I was like, - What the and I'm like, - What is that? - And then Spencer messages, - meetings like, - dude, - you're using Social Cam like they push all your stuff to Facebook. - And I was like, - Oh, - my God. - And then I was sitting there and I was like, - this could have gone so much worse for me. - Okay, - so But the truth is, - when you get when you get into that zone like, - I literally was terrified of using social, - I just never knew anymore. - If there's gonna be pushed or not pushed, - right, - you have to be careful with that stuff is, - Well, - Cora gotten a little bit of trouble for this where they were getting really aggressive with - some of this stuff. - So, - you know, - there's a fine line there, - like anything. - You'll notice a lot of this stuff, - whether it's inviting friends, - creating a CEO pages, - whether it's, - you know, - implicit invites, - experts invite there's this gray area. - You have to walk. - You have to be very careful not to abuse. - Trust you. - Yes. - This is whatever you have as easy as possible for the people at the office. - Decide for yourselves and all the rage. - Now sign in with Facebook. - Obviously, - I'm sure pros and cons there you want your own registration fees is possible. - But in many instances, - it doesn't get any easier. - And signing Twitter, - Facebook what you got seen in terms of successes and failures, - those types of deliberations that helped drive position I've seen. - I think it seems easy right to sign in with Facebook. - But a lot of you are very uncomfortable sending Facebook the reason why companies push it - as much as they do. - It is usually because someone signs up with Facebook and Twitter. - They end up being even though I think I bet their conversion rate goes down a little bit. - Just giving supply and email. - Those users is becoming much better users because all there, - because then they can quickly find their friends. - And they completely see what their Twitter followers are. - Follow ease they match everything up in the experience is better. - So they basically made a bet that if they push someone to sign up a Facebook and Twitter, - they got a bet they've analyzed. - And they noticed that even though the percentage of sign ups may go down by by aggressively - pushing for that, - it caused. - Those users become better users. - So you know, - it's like maybe you get 10% month users, - but those users are 30% better. - So in the end, - it's actually mathematically smart for them to force people. - Tokyo did a huge and analysis of this long, - long posts about it, - saying that it was actually any benefit to sign of brakes on Facebook and Twitter. - They're just having a sign up form. - But like I mentioned, - you get this additional information about a person. - I'm pretty easily like. - Their gender, - like their hometown, - isn't always information. - Click off boxes, - and then you can see that in your database and run like Cruz on it. - Smart judgment. - So there was a desert you know, - tend to be better if users, - but again like it's I don't necessarily want as he has a user that service. - Like I never signed up for Facebook. - I never signed always for us, - and I think you will find I give you one more example on that, - which is I had a friend who was trying to come up with this way toe a nap that was supposed - to make it easier to post items you want to sell on Craigslist. - So instead of taking a picture and then adding on description was like an act that would - intelligently like take the picture, - it would help you filter make it nicer. - It could maybe find the Amazon Lee for the thing. - And then there was like, - this is just prices, - you know, - just like value added stuff for people who want to put stuff on Craigslist like, - Oh, - I can't really figure out my, - you know, - sort of user acquisition strategy like, - How am I gonna grow this thing? - What would you recommend to them based on what we've talked about those prices using that - it's a right like, - how awesome is that at the bottom of the Craig's post? - It should say Like Like obviously, - this post is also like, - you can look up, - jump up and compare this Don't other crap. - You see, - on Craigslist, - I use this service called Blank, - right. - And it could be this awesome sign of pitch right there. - And then just something like that could have a dramatic impact on the user acquisition for - that start. - Um, - so you have to sort of think, - think that way, - remember It's like people are creating content on your service or they're conducting - actions on your service. - Then they're pushing that constant or pushing that action somewhere else. - You either forced them to put that together for you. - Convince them to push. - You know that that action or content somewhere else or if they're doing it on their own, - you gotta, - like, - attach yourself to that content so that people know that it came from you and that they - were using you so that people see that and then sign up for your service. - Okay, - um, - we're gonna get to the 5th 5th strategy for user acquisition. - And this one is, - um probably a lot of people here know about it on, - and it applies to all the ones before this. - But I think it's super important. - Is getting really good at a B testing landing pages. - Sign up. - Funnels, - etcetera. - Is it for you? - Probably 100%. - It's for everybody. - Um, - you'd be surprised. - I would expect if you guys run a B tests on your land. - So maybe test on the landing pages where you take your landing page and then you try what - your current version is then you Actually you can use something called, - um, - used to be everybody be called. - But now Google Analytics has something called Google content experiments. - So if you go in their content, - sorry, - that was what he used to be called. - Now it's called Google Content Experiments, - and we've been using and it's great. - We're happy with it on what you do is there's other services. - There's Optimized Lee and a couple of other ones. - There's, - like Web site optimizers dot com, - But what they do is, - um, - you basically have all users like you turn on the test and then they basically randomize - which page to show users. - And what you're able to then see is, - well, - I got 100 users and 50 ever went to version A 51 to version be the 50 that introversion A I - got 10 to sign up to 50. - Then with the version B, - I got 20 to sign up. - That happens inversion a happens to be original one. - You just double the number of users. - You sign up every day, - right? - Your conversion rate just doubled, - I would expect for anyone here which was doing a B test, - especially if you've never really created landing pages before and you have your original - sign of page. - I would expect you to get anywhere from like two times, - maybe even a 56 time bump in the amount of users You sign up every day, - and that could be big. - That's a different scene. - Signing up 100 years of the day or signing up 200 or 600 years of the day puts a whole - different ballgame. - Um, - it's not just that. - Do it running a B test on your SDO pages, - I think a year ago, - RCO pages were converting it like 2%. - 4% 5%. - Now they converted like 15 20%. - That's huge. - Really, - really big deal. - Um, - there's a lot of different sort of stuff to read about and different techniques. - Usually the simpler, - simpler, - the better A B test. - I usually recommend doing pretty dramatic things on the page. - Tried different thematic concepts, - something I found unfortunate doesn't seem to help. - Very much is aesthetic improvement. - Taking the exact same page structure. - Wives feel wise, - but just really polishing it up in cleaning it up. - I found crazily, - not toe have a huge impact on conversion rates. - Try lots of things that they have something that maybe testing is like, - You have to sit there, - you know? - Yeah, - we actually tried. - Um, - we read this 37 signals thing, - and they use these pictures of people, - and that was a really big improvement for them. - Is that these days on the hip it Langfitt, - for a little bit. - We had these, - like, - huge people on our on our landing page, - and they were, - like, - pointing at the sign of box, - and it didn't worse. - Terrible. - And my theory is that we have, - like, - a son looking thing on the top. - Left enough sometimes start, - we don't have any more, - but start if you have, - like, - a little logo and they have, - like these, - like, - it looks like a son sort of behind the son. - I don't know why, - um and we didn't really remove that for the test, - so it kind of looked like they were. - These were giants like they're like scary giant people who were using our service on dso it - . - Then it didn't perform as well. - Um, - an interesting thing that we did is we used to just We try an experiment where instead of - asking for city and email, - we just ask people for their email 10% reduction in conversion rate. - Think people were getting get excited that this is like a city specific thing, - and they're more excited about that because it matters more to them. - So sometimes, - actually adding something like that, - it seemed like it would complicate the sign of flow by asking one more question during the - sign up, - but actually caused it to get better. - Um, - I think, - but improving you know these. - And then if you think about like the implicit invites, - like it's not just enough, - like you convince a user to push to to Facebook or Twitter. - But then it's like what gets pushed. - What does it say exactly? - Like when someone looks at on Facebook? - You know, - what's the picture that is used? - What's the language that is used? - How can you How can you change that? - Um, - so that you improve that part. - So it's it's all about like measuring every step of the funnel of how someone ends up - signing up for your site, - right? - So if it from from.