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Podcasts Crash Course: How to Start Your Own Podcast

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10 Lessons (1h 19m)
    • 1. Welcome to Class

    • 2. Why is Podcasting a Great Digital Product?

    • 3. Recommended Tools for Creating a Podcast

    • 4. Platforms for Sharing Your Podcast

    • 5. Coming Up with Your Podcast Idea and Format

    • 6. Recording Tips and Demo

    • 7. Editing Tips and Demo

    • 8. Publishing Your Podcast on Anchor.fm

    • 9. Publishing Your Podcast on Libsyn

    • 10. Case Study: Let's Look at Phil's Podcasts

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About This Class

This class will help you start your own coaching program. You'll learn:

  • Recommended tools to create your podcast
  • Recommended platforms to host your podcast
  • How to come up with a great podcast idea
  • Tips for recording your podcast
  • Tips for editing your podcast
  • How to publish your podcast with Libsyn
  • How to publish your podcast with Anchor
  • How to price your ebooks

Everything in this course is based on my real world experience with case studies showing you what has working for me. These are ebook strategies that you can repeat to create your own successful online business

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Phil Ebiner

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Since 2012 have been teaching people like you everything I know. I create courses that teach you how to creatively share your story through photography, video, design, and marketing.

I pride myself on creating high quality courses from real world experience.


I've always tried to live life presently and to the fullest. Some of the things I love to do in my spare time include mountain biking, nerding out on personal finance, traveling to new places, watching sports (huge baseball fan here!), and sharing meals with friends and family. Most days you can find me spending quality time with my lovely wife, twin boys and a baby girl, and dog Ashby.

In 2011, I graduated with my Bachelor of Arts in Film and Tele... See full profile

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1. Welcome to Class: Welcome to this digital products course, all about podcasts. So I'm going to go over what is podcasting, why it's a great option for you. The tools I recommend for creating a podcast platforms to share your podcasts, coming up with your great podcasts idea and the format of your show. I'll do a demo of how I record and edit podcasts. And then I'll also walk you through publishing on a couple of different platforms that I recommend. And as always, we'll look at a case study of the different podcasts that I have run and talk, how about how they have improved my business and been a great digital product for my business. All right, let's get going. 2. Why is Podcasting a Great Digital Product?: What is podcasting and why is it a great option for you and your business? Podcasts are recorded, audio streamed on a variety of podcast apps and platforms. A podcast can be the product itself and you can actually make money as a podcaster. Or it could be more of a marketing tool. And podcasts are informational, entertaining. Pretty much. It runs the gamut of whatever style of show or podcasts you want you can do. There's pretty much podcasts about everything, just like there are books about everything. You video, YouTube videos about everything. There is an audience for pretty much every type of business and category out there. So why would a podcast be a great option for your, your business? One is that you reach a different demographic. People who listened to podcasts are a certain demographic and they likely people there that aren't aware of your existing business right now. So posting your podcasts on all these different platforms that we'll cover in this class is a great way for people to be able to find you. It's all about getting your content out there. And if you can put it on a platform where people are going to that platform already to find content rather than you having to hope that people end up on a website based off of a Google search or something like that, it's going to be more likely that people find your content finally, digital products and consume it. People who listen to long-form audio content are a different type of person than people who watch YouTube videos to people who just watched, you know, Tiktok videos or are on social media all day sometimes and there, and obviously there is a correlation and people cross the boundary of different types of content they like. But definitely podcasting is a great audience to have because those people who are interested in long-form audio build a deep connection with you. You can build that intimate, intimate connection with your audience because you are literally in their ear, you are inside their head and you have a long time to connect with them compared to the other platforms where people's attention spans are rather short. Podcasts are great because they can be consumed while the person is doing something else. Exercising, gardening work, he driving to work. It. The audio-based content is really awesome because of that. And they're fairly simple to create and publish. Now, back when I started podcasting, It was a lot harder to find hosting, to create the files, to add all the tags for the file. So that would appear on the different podcasts distribution platforms like iTunes used to be the main place. But now there's a lot of tools that make it a lot easier. Personally, I think a podcast is a great way to just drive more traffic to your business, to build that deeper connection with an audience, to build those super fans for your website. I have never, I have never dabbled with personally with creating a podcast as the thing that I you make money with. I don't advertise on my podcast. I don't try to sell a podcast to make money that way. I don't think that's selling a podcast is not really going to be successful. I think it's similar to things like YouTube videos where the content itself, the audience's used to getting podcasts for free, um, but the audience is also used to getting advertising. So making money through advertising is definitely an option. But I think more importantly, it's a part of your marketing funnel to drive traffic to your website, to your other products or your services or whatever you sell. And so it is a little bit of a different type of product in the sense that the other ones that we cover in this class are things that you actually sell. But because we thought it was such an important one, we wanted to cover it. So let's look at a couple examples. So pull it up a couple random businesses, art gallery, tattoo artists, winery. What could these companies make? Podcasts about? Art gallery seems like a difficult one because R is such a visual medium. But I also think that there's a space for talking about our history covering individual artists, their stories. Talking about modern artists, interviews with artists who have a story of their own and want to talk about their craft, talk about making money as an artist. These are all things that someone who works in an art gallery or has an art gallery could do too, supplement their business. Tattoo artist. Okay, so this one, again, when I was coming up with these examples, I was just going on Google Maps, zooming into different towns in trying to pick random businesses that pop up and stand out tattoo artists. So you could do a podcast. There's a lot of them about like how to start XYZ business. So you could go through the whole gamut of how do you start a tattoo parlor or how do you become a tattoo artist? You can talk to, do interviews with other tattoo artists and have them share their story. You could do a show based off of just the different tattoos that you've worked on. What is the story from every tattoo? And maybe, maybe even every week you have a show where you do a talk about all the different tattoos that you made that week and the different stories and stories from your tattoo parlor, tattoo shop, and then a winery. So a winery could do all things. So again, taking that sort of same structure of how do you start our winery? How do you become a Mammalia? How do you drink wine or taste plant? How do you drink one? How do you taste wine? These are all things you could cover in a podcast. The startup story of interviewing other wineries, other people who have started a winery. You can find someone or you yourself could document that entire journey of starting your own winery. If you are more of an expert in the tasting of wine, you could create a show on wine tasting and do an episode. They could be short episodes, five, 10 minutes on different wines. And it could be sort of like tasting notes that someone should listen to as they taste wine. So song goes, you know, you, you pick popular wines that could be purchased around the country or around the world potentially. And you do shows about those. I think I think that would be actually really cool. I would participate in that with my wife. So lots of ideas out there. If you're struggling with coming up with the idea for your podcasts, let us know, reach out to other students and we're all here to help you on your journey. So let's go and move on to the tools that I recommend and the ones that you need to actually podcast. 3. Recommended Tools for Creating a Podcast: What tools do you need to create your own podcast? Nowadays, it seems like the availability of tools to create digital content are easier to find and higher-quality than they ever have been. And the barrier to entry is a lot lower than it used to be. In terms of recording your actual podcasts. You could literally do it all with a smart phone. And I know people, We have a neighbor who's actually heard her daughter runs your own podcast. It's called Career quest. It's a really cool show. And she interviews people about their job. And it's for kids who are trying to figure out like we're just wanting to learn about different careers. And it's a really, really good show. And all she does is she goes out on our smart phone records that are are moms smartphone records it directly to the phone, and that's all you really need. You can even edit a podcast directly on a phone or on a web application or platform, which we'll talk about in a minute. But yeah, all you really need is a smartphone. You could also do the same thing with the computers. So you can record directly to a computer if you want to up your game a little bit. I would say investing in a USB microphone is probably the best option. And the most important thing to spend a little money to improve your podcasts. And then an audio recorder is another device you might need if you're going out into the field and recording, or if you are recording with a higher end microphone, you might need an audio interface to get the microphone onto your computer. If you watch the section on online courses on the equipment lesson, I go deeper into specific equipment recommendations and how that all works with different audio interfaces that I recommend. So I'm not going to recover that here in this lesson. Check out the section on online courses to find out more specifics for editing. Garageband is agree option on a Mac. Adobe Audition is great for Mac or PC, and that's what I currently use to edit my podcasts. And you do have to pay for an Adobe membership, but it's a really, really good product. There's lots of other options out there. Audacity is a free tool that you can use to record and edit. And I believe that's available for Mac and PC. In terms of hosting, there's lots of hosts out there, like everything. There's lots of options. But the ones that I recommend are Libson, anchor, and buzz sprout. I've used all of them and for most of my podcasting life, I use Libson which you have to pay for. But recently I've moved a couple of podcasts over to anchored. And as anchor dot fm is the website because it has a lot of really, really cool features that podcasts, that make podcasting easy. For example, it has easy distribution. So with a click of a button, you can basically send your podcast to all of the popular apps in platforms out there, rather than having to submit it yourself manually, which is what you typically have to do. It also has an option for editing your podcasts online. So you can just upload your audio files. You can record directly to the anchor website or the Anchor app and edit it right there rather than editing on your computer. So if you're just getting started, I think anchor is a perfect place to get started with your show. And you can basically do everything except you need something to record with. But if you're using your computer or phone, that's good enough. You can also edit podcasts after the fact. So you can add things like changing. You're an AD. So for example, maybe you've put out ten episodes and you put different ad spots in all of those, but it's the Black Friday season of sales. And you want to change all of the ads for your previous episodes. You can't do this easily on any other platform that I know of. But with anchor, what you can do is create sort of an editable block of audio content that if you change it in one episode, it actually changes in all of them. So it's an ad block that you can update, which is a really cool feature. And then lastly, one other cool feature is on every anchor thought podcasts has a page where all of your podcasts appear. But you can add an option for listeners to call in and leave a voice message. This is a popular, popular thing that a lot of podcasts is due to just build up that AN engagement. It could be anything from crowdsourcing stories, story ideas, or getting questions for your, your show. A lot of shows that I like and are popular or just Q&A based shows. And getting the audio of the person asking the question really up the, the level of your podcast and just makes it a little bit better. So anchor, anchor, anchor. And if you hear me yet, anchor is a great option. And I'll be going through the back-end of Lipson and anchor in a future lesson. Alright, let's talk a little bit more about platforms to distribute your podcast on and how that works in the next lesson. 4. Platforms for Sharing Your Podcast: In this lesson, you'll learn about the different podcasting platforms out there and how this is a little bit different than other forms of digital content. So here's a list of some of the popular podcasting apps. There's lots more, smaller ones out there and new ones come on the block. Apple podcasts has basically been around forever. It is usually used to be iTunes. And that was really where most people were getting their audio content. And it's really what popularize podcasts. Spotify has jumped into the game of hosting podcasts, and they've made a big play to try to get more podcasts on their app. Google podcasts has always been a big one as well. And then these other ones have popped up and some are a little bit more popular than others, but stitcher, Pocket Cast tune in radio. And again, there's lots more. But how does this actually work and what does this actually mean? So it's a little bit different than say, you were putting out a video. If you create video content, you might upload it to YouTube. You might upload it to Facebook directly. You might upload it to Instagram. But with a Podcasts, What you do is you need to host the files somewhere and then it's distributed across all these platforms. So imagine if you were uploading your video content to YouTube. But then someone on their phone had the Google video app, if that was a thing, and they could see your video that was uploaded to YouTube on their Google app. Maybe someone else watches video content through their Apple app. I'm just making this up, but I'm hoping it kind of demonstrates what this looks like. So someone has an Apple app. In the Apple App pulls your video from your YouTube hosting and people can watch your video through the Apple App. Someone else. There's an app called Pocket video. And some people will use that app to watch videos because the features are nice and it works on their specific type of phone or whatever it is. And again, it will pull the feed of your YouTube channel into their player. So that's what's actually happening. It's like if you had an old blog, blog and you had a feed reader, and you pulled all the different blog content that you liked into your feed. It's, this is what's happening with podcasts. You host the file and then all of these different players are, these apps are pulling the information from your feed and distributing it. What's awesome about this is that you just have to upload it once. You upload it to your host. And then it's automatically available on all of the different platforms that you've submitted to. As I mentioned in the last lesson, you have to do this manually. So you go to each of these different platforms and submit your podcast and some are accepted, some aren't. Sometimes it's not. Or if you're using a tool like Anchor dot AFM to host your podcasts. There's a one-click button to distribute it. And depending on the podcast host, there are easier ways to distribute to different apps. But I found that anchor is definitely the easiest for people just getting started. So in terms of choosing which platforms to be on, I think the more the merrier, honestly, it just gives you the chance to appear in more places in front of more people, hopefully turning more listeners into loyal fans and customers of yours. I don't really see a reason for not including your podcasts on a specific app. Unless you can get some sort of deal with a specific app to you have your show on that platform. Spotify has done this with big podcast stirs, and they pay them a fee to make their content exclusive to their podcasting app. But that's likely not something that you're going to be able to get rain now. Alright, I hope you enjoyed this lesson and the next one, we'll cover how to come up with a great podcast idea and talk about the different formats for your show. 5. Coming Up with Your Podcast Idea and Format: In this lesson, let's talk about coming up with the idea and structure for your podcast. In terms of an idea and what your podcast should be about. It should be about whatever your business is about. And maybe if you don't have a business, then go back to what are your passions. I think for any of these digital products, that is what the topic of that product is going to be in a podcast is something that you want to be passionate about. I think shows where the host expresses interests and you can tell that they are curious about this topic and are in the shoes of the listener as well. Asking questions, diving into topics that's when a ship shows is really good. I think a more important question for you is, what is the format going to be? Are you going to be by yourself so low as the host? Are you gonna do it interview style where you have one person or a couple people come on and interview with you. Are you going to do it more documentary style where you might have different segments, might include a lot of different interviews or people in a broadcast. It really depends on what style you want to go for. Now, let's talk about the pros and cons of each of these formats. So it's great because you have complete control over what the show is, what is said. You can record whenever you want. You don't want to deal with scheduling, you don't have to deal with figuring out how to record someone in the interview if you're not there in person. A lot of people do interviews over things like Skype or zoom nowadays, which is relatively easy to do. But there's a lot of things that go into interviewing that it's extra work compared to if you're doing it by yourself. Now taking that to the next level and doing a more documentary style show is going to be even more work. You see a lot of these types of podcasts by bigger radio stations are producers. This American Life and Radio Lab are a couple of my favorite shows that have this sort of documentary style. But it's a lot more work, I think for most of us, starting out with a solo show or a combination of solo in interview based is the way to go. Interview based is great because it provides you a lot of new content. And you don't have to come up with new content yourself. And so it really depends on what your topic is. Maybe there can be a more newsworthy sort of Update Style podcasts where depending on whatever's going on in your industry, you can update them. Maybe it's more of a storytelling podcasts where you have a long-form story that you break into separate episodes. If you've heard of the podcast Serial, This is one of those podcasts that does that in a very good way. They take a story and they break it down into individual episodes, kind of like a television show. I've had a number of podcasts. Dot I run myself and I run with friends, and I helped my wife do a podcast. So for myself, I have a podcast called online course masters. This is where I teach other people how to create online courses. It's a combination of just me teaching on the show and also doing interviews. At times, I also had a co-host, Jeremy Dagan who was on for a couple of seasons. He was in one season where it was just the two of us covering all of the different aspects of creating an online course. And that was great because we could balance it off ideas with each other. We could kind of interview and ask each other questions. And that made the show a little bit more dynamic than just me being by myself. And then we also did a season where we were interviewing other online course creators. And that was cool because we both got to talk, share our own story and ideas, but we both came up with different questions and just having another person with another background make sure show a little bit more. I would say dynamic and diverse and able to appeal to a wider audience. That being said, there are some downsides to being a co-host. One is just not having complete control over the story or what you want to talk about too, is just the simplicity of figuring out when and how to record if you live in the same space, that's a little bit easier than trying to align schedules and do it online. Of course it's doable. It's just an added element that you'll have to deal with rather than if you're just doing it by yourself. The other shows that I helped manage, close focus is a show that one of my co-instructor friends will does. He interviews other photographers about their journey? It's all interview based. And so far he's done all of them in person. So that just brings a different element. And then lastly, my wife runs a show called Isabel in Sandy miss. It's more of a local news politics show, just about what's going on in our town. And so you can see the range of different shows and ideas. She does interviews, she does episodes just buy yourself. Some are super short news based episodes. Some are longer form deep dives into a specific topic. And for her show, I think what really drives the listenership is the fact that it's all about our town. So no, she's not going to get a global audience or really much of an audience outside of the people in our city. But since every episode is about some different aspect of living in Sandy, miss, the people that listen are super passionate about it. So hopefully going over these pros and cons for the different types of formats gives you an idea for what you want to do. Again, you can always do a combination or change it up with online course masses show. I went from doing episodes by myself to interviews, back to doing it by myself or with my co-host. And it was totally fine. Our listeners liked it. I think in general, it's probably a good idea to have somewhat of a standard format or said the expectations that there are going to be interview based episodes plus maybe solo episodes. Whatever it is though, if it's a topic that your listeners are interested in, they're going to probably love whatever content you bring them. Alright, I hope you liked this lesson. In the next lessons, we're going to dive more into the practical sides of creating your podcast. And we'll dive into the computer and we'll talk about recording, editing using some of the platforms that I use to host and that kinda stuff. I'll see you there. 6. Recording Tips and Demo: In this lesson of the class, I'm going to go over how to record a podcast, give you some basic tips, best practices, and then also dive into a couple of the options I recommend and use myself for recording podcasts. So adjustment will be behind the computer. But first, just a couple of brief tips. If you've watched some of the other lessons in this class on video or audio production, you'll probably remember what I recommended for getting better audio. One of the first things is upgrading to a USB microphone. But then after that, make sure you are putting that microphone as close as possible. You as close as possible without it getting muffled, You don't want to be touching the microphone with your mouth. Or if you are too close, you might get a lot of breathing and air noise. But if you're using a pie casting Mike and you aren't doing video, you can get really up close to it. And a lot of the more specific microphones for podcasting depend on you getting super close up. I mean, really within a few inches, and that's what's going to make it sound the best. You also wanna make sure that you're monitoring your levels and you can manually adjust your levels. This might be done through the audio interface that allows you to plug in an external microphone. For example, I'm using the how PR 40, which is a professional podcasting Mike. And that's run through my zoom H6 N and I adjust the levels there. Otherwise you might be able to record, set the level is in the application you're recording with. So that's just one thing to make sure you're doing. Another thing to look out for or here for is echo or reverb. And so if you're in a big room with lots of hard walls, you're going to get a lot of echo. So putting up anything that can dampen that reverb will help. So sort of a DIY method. Blankets or like a large thick comfort or over your desk, you can purchase inexpensive phone paneling that you can put around the wall on the desk around you to, again, try to reduce that reverb, you can get more professional noise dampening panels, which is what I use here in my garage, which is converted to a studio, but still has a lot of open space, putting down rugs, carpet, bringing in extra furniture, things like that, where it just takes the room from being a big open space to having lots of different pieces and hopefully soft pieces to catch that noise and those echoes, That's going to be beneficial. You can even create your own little noise dampening box. So get a box, put pillows or those foam panels in it, and you can place your microphone right inside that box. And that will actually create a nice, really good reverb free space for your microphone. So follow those tips when you're recording. In postproduction, you can add effects that remove background noises, reduced the reverb, but it's best to get the highest quality sound upfront. So it will end up being easier and higher-quality later on if you add a lot of effects to do that kind of noise removal and reverb reduction. It starts to get to sound a little over edited. If you, if you need to apply too much of that. So let's hop into the computer and I'll show you the apps that I like using for recording my podcast. Alright, so I'm behind my main computer where we record and edit our podcasts so you can see how close I am to my microphone, which is the highest PR 4D at different microphone. I bought this boom arm that attaches to my desk, which is really nice. I can move this around. And you can probably see as I move this around here, how different the audio sounds compared to when I'm right here up to the next to the microphone. So a couple of options for recording. I'm going to, I'm using a Mac. So if you want a super easy way to record audio, QuickTime player is your friend. So what you can do is just go up to File Audio Recording on QuickTime. And you can make sure you choose which microphone you want to use. And then just hit that record button and save the file. And then when you're done, and then import that into any audio editor you want. Garageband is also an app that you can record directly into an edit, which is free, but I prefer Adobe Audition. There's lots of options out there though. So how do you record a podcast episode into Adobe Audition? The first thing you wanna do, and this is going to be a super, super, super brief overview of Adobe Audition. And if you want a full sort of course, I have another course. But I just wanted to show you the basics right now to get started, what you wanna do is go to File New multi-track session. We're just gonna call this test. I'm going to put it on my desktop for now. And the sample rate, 4800 bit depth, that's perfectly fine. If you have a template file, you can actually use a template file. They have these sort of template files already created for you, but I actually have another template file that I'm going to show you in just a second. But if you're starting from scratch, this is what you would do. And so now you have these different tracks. So just a basic overview of what this is. You have different tracks, you could add different audio to. So for example, for espouse podcasts, track one is always her voice. Track two is music, and then track three will be her guest. And now she records audio with guests over Skype. So she uses an app called Coleridge recorder from for Skype. It's made by E cam and that's e, c, a, m, the company. But call recorded for Skype. There's other options like Pamela for Skype. Or if you use a different meeting software like zoom, you can record right into Zoom directly. So how do you record directly into an audition though, if you are recording by yourself, you need to set your input. So your input in, you would just start with track one is here. So I click that and I don't know why this window pops up down here. It should open up here. I think it's because my screen, I'm zoomed in. But this menu will pop up. And if you're external microphone doesn't appear here. If you have a USB microphone or an audio interface, click Audio settings. And then for default, audio input, choose either the audio interface or the microphone that you want. And then click OK. And so now when I go to this menu under mono or stereo, depending on if you want mono or stereo sound. Typically for a Podcasts, mono is fine. You find your microphone. So that's not yet, you have to enable it to record and that's this button are right here. And as soon as I tick that you see, my audio levels start to bounce up and down. And then all you have to do is click this record button right here. Alright, so I know this super, super fast. And so a lot of you are probably confused and are like, I do not know what's going on. I'm not going to use audition, and that's perfectly okay. You might wanna just skip the rest of this lesson. But in terms of recording, you just want to make sure your audio levels aren't clipping, meaning they're not reaching the top of that. In the red right here, you can't see, but I'm adjusting the knobs on. Quieter, louder. So you gotta make sure you're somewhere in the middle and not hitting the top where it will distort. So bouncing right around here at the top of the green where it starts to get into the yellow is perfectly fine. If you have multiple microphones plugged in and you're doing an interview show, you can add and will separate input to a separate track. And that way once it's recorded, your audio is separate. You can edit each audio track separately, depending on different voices. You might apply different effects differently to those voices. And that's pretty much it. So that's how I record my episodes and is about records her episodes using audition. In the next lesson, we're gonna go a little bit more into the editing aspect. So we'll be back behind audition with one of her projects open. In that lesson. 7. Editing Tips and Demo: In this lesson, we're going to learn about editing a podcast. I'm going to jump into Adobe Audition, show you some of the basic effects and things that I use when editing. I know it's not going to be applicable to everyone because you're not using audition. That being said, a lot of effects and things that I do here in audition will be similar to what you can do in most editing applications. One quick tip to make your editing process easier is to create a template. So whenever we start a new episode for my wife's podcast or my podcasts, we have a template file that includes things like the music file that we, That's her intro and outro music. And it's edited down to be the intro, the outro, And then a couple little Eclipse where those can go in-between breaks or in between the intro and an interview or things like that. I've also created some effect presets that for my wife, Isabel's voice sounds good for her podcast. And then I've created a custom ones for my voice in our space. And that allows me to easily just throw on a preset, which you can easily do with Adobe Audition. Whenever she records the podcasts, rather than trying to, everytime she records come up with a new effect from scratch or adding and applying each effect one at a time from scratch. It's all done with a click of a button basically. So let's dive into the computer and I'll show you what an edited podcasts looks like and walk you through some of the effects and things that we apply and the process for editing in Adobe Audition. Alright, so in here, I want to basically show you some examples of things to keep in mind while editing. This is not going to be a full tutorial on how to edit a podcast in Adobe Audition. I don't think that's applicable to a lot of the students watching this. If that is applicable to you, we have a full course on editing in Adobe Audition. But if you're using another app, I would just try to take, take the ideas and techniques I am using here and apply it to your own editing application. And if you are using Adobe Audition, hopefully this is sort of a quick rundown. But if you're looking at the screen right now, you probably can tell this is a daunting application to learn. And I try to keep it as simple as possible. The first thing I did was open up the template file that we use whenever Isabel starts new project. So here you can see that we have on track two, we have the music and that can be moved around. It can be extended to longer or shorter depending on how long her info is. We have this other little bit of music right here that I put in between the intro of her show and an interview. If she's doing an interview, let's go ahead and open up her most recent episode. So this was about a Non-profit. And you can kinda see the entire episode and how it's edited. So if I scroll through the timeline, you can see on track three is the interviewee. On track one is Isabel. And you can see, if I zoom in to the start of this episode, you can see here's Isabel's intro and then she jumps into the interview where it's two tracks. And we have this music inbetween. So what are the things that I do when I edit her show or edit any podcasts. The first thing I do is try to make sure that the levels are even, especially if it's with a guest. There's a couple of quick ways to do that in audition. If you're using another app, you will likely have a ability to raise or decrease the level of a track like right here. So you see here we have the music at negative 15, which we want the music to be a little bit quieter. But another option is with Adobe Audition is what's called the essential sound panel. So if you go up to window and open up a central panel sound, that's what you see. I'm going to clear out the effects that I've used. And what you probably noticed was that the audio levels right here jumped down. I add the effect that we had and it jumps back up. So one of the first things I do with all of the audio is I apply a loudness Match feature. So if you choose a default audio and you choose if you don't have a preset, you'd go into your this loudness tab and click Auto match. And that makes all of the audio this same level. So from episode to episode, it's going to be that same level. Other things you can do with the essential sound Pat panel include reducing noise, background noise reverb. You can add a little bit of processing to make it sound a little bit richer depending on the type of voice, from clarity dynamics to EQ. So E Q will adjust the, the loudness of different frequencies. So you can really turn a voice into something that sounds like old radio, Christmas gifts to PDF, to more of like a podcasts voice, attic cancer patient. And it's a really and all kinds of different things you could get creative and apply effects down here if you want to add more effects. But that's all done here in the essential sound panel. I actually have a preset that I use and that's called Podcast Isabel. And I apply that to all of her podcast episodes, so that from episode to episode, it all sounds the same. Now for her guest, I do something a little bit differently. So with most editing apps, you can either apply effects directly to a specific clip or two in the entire track. And so what I've done with my track 13, I've added the dynamics processing effect, which is a compressor limiter, which will basically prevent, try to prevent some sort of Louder audio from clipping. And in the spirit of, and so that's just a vocal limiter that I've added. And then I've added a EQ. So to track three, this is our guest track. This is an EQ and it's doing similar things to what was done under this clarity panel in the EQ there. But you can customize it. So this is super advanced bit. Basically, if I'm playing through here, you can see the frequencies of what this voice looks like. And the name of the game is basically trying to make it sound better. So you have these different points in the frequencies and you could bring in psychology really wanted bringing up or down the loudness of those frequencies basically. And depending on the voice, some frequencies sound better, some don't. So if you want to build a little bit more richness in the voice, maybe you bring up some of those lower frequencies to get that low rumble or a lower sole type type frequency. Or depending on if there's a specific background noise like a a rumble in the background or something like that, maybe bringing down specific lower frequencies. You also have these high-pass and low-pass filters, which basically just cut off frequencies at a specific level. Because the range of human voices typically mostly between like a 100 hertz to maybe 67 thousand Hertz. You work with children and you can see that kind of filtering. This is bumping up and down, but it's basically in that area, schools that's like a school counselor. And so what you do is go in here, it would probably be good. Go to Google and watch a, an equalizer or a parametric equalizer tutorial to see some more details of how to use that. But that's an effect just to basically make audio sound better. I also have this effect here, Speech volume level, or that you can turn on or off. If Isabel has multiple guests that are recorded on the same track, which is not ideal, but sometimes happens if we're just recording a Skype with multiple people, the both Guess end up on the same track. That vocal, speech volume level, or we'll try to love loud. Both people speaking if they're speaking out at different level and have it be more level. So I think the main thing to do and what being is just removing mistakes. Trying to make the sound better. Removing background noise, adding your music, Adding Your sound effects of that kind of thing. And then you basically just export it as a mp3 file in Adobe Audition to export what you do is you set your endpoint and you're out points. So you basically set where you want to export. So I'm just gonna do the beginning of this episode for an example, so it's quicker. But set an endpoint, you press i and output point, you press o. So this is going to be the 1.5th, two minutes or so. And for a multi-track project like this, you gotta multi-track mixdown session to new file in due time selection. And that's going to process it and actually turn all of these clips into one file. And there's one other thing I do, which is now here's this file. I go to this other panel called match loudness. I bring that file down here and I run it with the target loudness set to negative 16. So why do I do that? Because you might be asking, well, you already leveled your audio before with the essential sound panel, everything should sound the same level, right? It does sound the same level based off of, you know, a lot of things that's going on with that specific episode. But from episode to episode, I want the audio to sound the same at the same level. So if Isabel records an episode in another location on another computer or something like that, or we switch set, settings and gear. But we always want the episodes to be the same level so that someone's listening from one episode to the next. Does it have to change the volume? I want to match the loudness of those files. And negative 16 is sort of the standard for podcast episodes. And then you just click Run and it sets that, that loudness to that level. And then there's just saving it. So go up to File, Save As, and you choose mp3 instead of wave. Wave is a large file. And MP3s compressed, but it's still high-quality. You could change the quality if you need to save space so you can drop the bit rate, say you need it to be a little bit smaller file size, you can do that. And then click OK. And it's going to save it wherever you want under that name and that's the file you take and you upload online. All right. I hope this has been helpful for you and a quick overview. I know it's confusing for people who don't use audition and maybe you don't care, but hopefully you got some tips and best practices from this lesson. Chairs. 8. Publishing Your Podcast on Anchor.fm: In this lesson, I'm going to go through anchor FM, show you the dashboard, the backend, and walk through how you upload an episode to anchor. And also show you how you can actually edit an episode directly on anchor fm. So let's hop behind the computer and check it out. So here's the anchor FM. Podcast. Hosting is a 100% free to get started. So all you have to do is click Make your podcasts to switch to anchor its super easy. Literally all you do is click this switch to anchor button and then you type the name of your podcasts. So say I wanted to move online course masters over. So online course masses, I choose that. I go through the process that brings all the episodes, all that information in automatically. You just have to verify that you're the owner of it. They send you an email and things like that. But it's super, super easy. And then you can literally, once it's imported on to anchor closure account on whatever your previous host is, and it's a seamless transition. So anybody that's listening or trying to find your show on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts or Spotify or whatever, they'll find it. And there's no sort of hich basically are. There shouldn't be. One thing to note though is that you need a separate anchor account for every podcast that you have. I made the mistake of trying to import multiple podcasts to one account, thinking while I can have multiple shows, right? But what happened was I first, I started with the close focus photography podcast, and then I switched over the online course masters and tried to import that. And it actually added all my online course masters episodes to the close focus podcasts. So I'd go and manually delete all of those episodes, which was kind of a pain because we had over almost like a 100 episode that I had to go manually in. So just know that if you have multiple podcasts, you have to sign up for a separate account. I'm going to log into my wife's podcast, which is Isabel and same Bemis we just saw over literally like a week ago. So it doesn't have a ton of data yet. You saw the data from her podcast on Libson previously, but now it's starting to build traffic and get the listens and all that here. So this is what happens when you already have a show. And on the main dashboard you have basic information like your plays and quick access to demographics, which is cool. I think they pulled us demographic information from Spotify because owned by Spotify. And so all of that demographic information they have and they can pull from here and as you can see here, yes, Spotify. So I think over time as we get more data and more listens, she'll, she'll get more information here. But what's cool about anchors that it has a pretty neat homepage for your podcast. So if you don't even want to create a website for your podcast, the public site that anchor builds is actually really nice. So this is what it looks like. It has your podcasts logo here. You get to choose the background color. And then it has all of your episodes down here and also where people can listen right here. They highlight Spotify up here because again, it's owned by Spotify and they want people. To go to Spotify, to listen to all their podcasts on them. But they also have the other options. So it's a standard player here. And you can play through any of the episodes. And this is also where you can get the embedded, the embeddable player or the link to this episode. So you can actually post that on your own website if you do have your own website. So here's just the URL to this unique episode or the embeddable sort of audio player, which looks basically like this. One thing to note about anchor at this time as of recording, they don't have an option for getting this shared, share information before your podcasts goes live, which is kind of annoying. So when I upload a file for Isabel's podcasts, I have to go in that basically the night before and publish the episode and make it live. And then take this, share this embed code and put it on her website, blog post page, which is scheduled to go out later that day or the following day. I love Libson because I could do that in months in advance. You can get the embed code. You could get all the share information of a scheduled podcast episode and batch process, batch schedule everything. So that is kind of annoying. Sent a ticket to them saying this is a feature you need to add, so hopefully they will soon. Another cool feature that anchor has is this option for guests to send a voice message. So if someone comes into this page, they can just literally click this button on their phone, on their computer and record a voice message for you right then and there. This is a really cool thing. If you have a podcast where you're asking, you know, you're answering questions from listeners and you want to get people asking questions if you want people to call in with stories or anything like that, it's all right here. You don't have to use like a third party app or tool to do that in the settings. Let's just go through really quickly. Let's go to update settings. First of all, this is kind of the initial information you'll have to input when you start a podcast. So name, description, cover art. You choose your category. Here. You choose whether it's clean or not. Here's where you can turn on or off the show voice messages, but in on your profile, down below you have more Account Settings as the podcast host, this will appear in most pikas players. You choose your profile, color, profile, URL, and here's where you can also connect your social media accounts if you have them appear on your page. Next, let's go to the distribution settings. It will actually walk you through this entire process in a different way if you're starting from scratch, but if you need to update your distribution settings, you can always go here. So here's your RSS feed if you need to take it and submit it to any podcast feed or podcast player that is not down here, but for several players including Google podcasts, Apple podcasts, Spotify, it will automatically do this. If it's, if you haven't done it already, there will be a button that says Submit to distribute to additional podcast players, and it will submit it to all these players for you. If you do manual, so for example, going to each of these individual players and distributed that way you'll take the RSS feed, do it there. And then on these websites, once your podcast is approved, you will get a feed link from these websites and you will submit it here as well. Another cool feature on Ankur before we get into uploading a new episode is it helps you monetize your podcast easily. So on this money tab you can activate sponsors. So if your podcast, if there's a sponsor that's interested in sponsoring or show, you can get it automatically done through, through anchor. Also, if you want to add the option for listeners to donate to you or to give you money. I'll pay you basically on a monthly recurring basis. You can activate it here. And one of the cool things I mentioned earlier on in this section is the way you can create an ad block that you add to your episodes. And you can basically create new ads that go into those blocks, even for previous episodes in the future. So let's go ahead and click the new absolute button. This is a really cool way to create a podcast. All easily rate here on anchor. If you edit your podcasts outside of anchor, All you have to do is just drag your files over two on this right-hand side or click and choose the file from your computer. But what's really awesome is the way they have these features to record directly into anchor fm. So you don't even need to record separately. You can do everything on anchor or with the Anchor app on a mobile device. So clicking this button will allow you to record. If you have uploaded previous content, for example, maybe you did upload an ad or a promotion, or if you want to have the introduction or the outro to your show, always be the same. Asking people for reviews, that kind of thing. You can create that sort of canned audio file and just use it over and over here from your library. You can also add music to your show from Spotify. So this will actually add music below your audio or spoken audio. And then messages from, if people leave voice messages from to your show on that link, on the homepage of your show, they will appear here and you could add them directly that way. They also have transition audio, music and sound effects here that you can play it through. So say we want that to start the show. You can just drag it simply over to our, our file right here, our project, and then say we have previously recorded library content. We will add this right here afterwards. Say we have an ad spot. Let's go ahead and click record and do a little ad. We will use our good microphone. Start recording. So hey, welcome to the show. I hope you enjoyed it. And this is sponsored by video school.com. Get all of your creative skills from video school.com. And that, and then we can put that block here. Now I don't have sponsorship activated for Isabella show. She is not she's not interested in having a sponsorship. But if you do have sponsorships activated, you would see the ad sponsored segment. And that appears here as a block. Ok, so this will now appear as a block. And then you could drag it around and put it on wherever in the show you want. If you click on the little information button, you can get more information about sponsorships. You can either be paired with someone else or you can record your own ads. So once you've done editing your podcast here, again, if you edit elsewhere or you wouldn't have all of these different blocks. But if you do add it here, once you're happy, you can preview the audio. Once you're happy, click Save episode. Here's where you include all of your information, the absolute title and description if you want to publish it right now or in the future. Here's also where on anchor you can add the season number and the episode number if you are organizing your podcast into seasons and episodes. And also the other information like Is this a full episode, a trailer for a show or just bonus? So sometimes podcasts have a series or episodic podcasts, but then they might throw and sort of like a bonus here or there. And it's good to indicate that here. So depending on the podcast player, it might actually show up as trailer or bonus. And then your, if it's a cleaner, has explicit language and that's pretty much it. Now that I activated sponsorships sort of accidentally here, if you go to this money tab, which now appears. So this is where you would actually record and then this would appear as sponsorship blocker and add that could be added to any of your episodes. So that's a sort of quick, but hopefully in depth enough overview of the anchor FM dashboard. If you have questions, let me know. What I love about anchor is that it's free, includes a lot of the features that a lot of podcasts owners want right here. You can record and edit directly to the platform, and it's just a visually pleasing and easy to navigate platform. Thanks so much for watching and we'll see you in another lesson. 9. Publishing Your Podcast on Libsyn: Welcome to this new lesson. By now you've learned about the tools, the equipment, topics for podcasts, how to structure a podcast and format it, how to record, how to edit. I know briefly we've covered all of these things, but the next step is publishing. In this lesson we're going to cover Libson, which is a premium product. And in the next one we're going to cover anchor FM, which is a free option. So if you want to jump over to that one, that's fine. But this one, Libson is host that a lot of podcasts or is use. It's pretty simple to use and all over the dashboard and then also show you how to actually upload an episode. Alright, so we're here in the backend of Libson. So right now I have two shows that are hosted with Lipson, and one is actually being converted to anchor fm right now, when you log on though it has a nice dashboard with your stats, a brief look at your stats. Also a quick published features so you can just quickly upload a file and publish. Depending on what plan you have, you have a certain amount of space that you can upload every month. And that's why something like Anchor FM is really nice because you basically get unlimited space and you don't have to worry about you're going to go over your amount or now or having to pay more for more space. Under content, you can see all of your previously published episodes. So here you can see all the episodes that I've previously released. And then this is also where you add a new episode. We'll look at that in just a second. The other thing I want to show you is under Settings. I'll just go over the show settings. So here's where you have your showTitle, description, website, and categories. This is where it's going to appear on different podcasts distributors, distributors like apple podcasts or Google podcasts. All of this information is taken from here and imported onto any of those distribution platforms. Down below is where you can add your artwork. So coming up with a great logo is a good idea. And then they also ask for a wide screen image or version of your, your thumbnail or podcasts image. Depending on the player, depending on the distributor, they might use this wide version as well. All of that kind of stuff. You'll go through it when you start in an account and he started a new podcast, it'll kind of walk you through all of those steps under destinations. This is where you get your feed. So this is the feed URL that you will submit to the different podcast directories. So that's a difference here with Lipson is you have to manually submit your feed to all of the different directories. The best way to do this is to go to Google and just type in submit podcasts to wherever you want to submit your podcast to Spotify, for example. And usually that top link, if it's from that website, will include instructions and step-by-step details for that with anchor FM, it does this automatically for you with the click of a button. So say you wanted to upload a new episode, you go to content, add new episode. The first, add media files where you upload your audio file. So you want to export a, an MP3 and upload there. You can choose it from your files, whose one from our other photography podcast, which is hosted with anchor as well. And so that's uploading. I'm just gonna do that as a temporary upload is show you what this looks like. While I upload, you can add details. So here's where you add title description, the category. If it's, you have a standard category that you choose for your podcast and this will automatically appear here. But for some reason, if your podcast episode is under a different category, you can choose a different one. Keywords are very important to include, to include all the keywords that someone might be searching to find your show specific keywords that are particular to that episode or important. So on. For example, what, sometimes what I do, I'll search on, on Apple Podcast for California real estate, something that I'm interested in. And so episodes will show up based off of my search result. And that's primarily based off of things like the episode title, the description, and the tags and keywords are, are that topic right? They have a specific section for Apple podcasts, optimization. Different podcasts platforms will bring in information differently. And Apple podcasts has a very specific way of pulling the information. I've actually never dealt with using the Apple podcasts, optimization options down here. It's always been fine for me to just have the title and description here and it shows up fine for me on Apple podcasts. But if you have specific things like a seasoned number or Episode number, Apple podcasts kind of moved away from wanting pi Casta have numbers in their titles and instead there's like a separate way for your podcast to display a season number and an episode number. And this is where you would include that instead of in your title itself artwork, if you have a specific photo for this episode, you can add a thumbnail here. I never do that because I just want my default podcasting or my online course masters image to show up. And that's what's going to happen if you don't upload an image. But if you have specific images tailored to that episode, then that's where you would upload it and then scheduling. So if you want to just publish it, you don't need to schedule it. If you want to have it released in the future, you click this tab, click a set new release date. You choose your date and time. If you want, you can have it expire. Some Podcast hosts like having an exploration, maybe they only allow their show to be live for a week or whatever. But I typically just set it for a future date and then launched it. I think it's very important to have a schedule for your podcasts every, every week, every month, whatever it is, stick to that schedule the same day, the same time you release your episodes, that builds up that expectation from your viewer, from your listeners to expect your podcasts. And they know when a new ones coming out, rather than being random about it, which doesn't build expectations. And it's harder for your listeners to know when a new episode is coming out and That's not going to be good for your listenership. All of this information before a few years ago, had to be added to the podcast file or the MP3 file before being uploaded. Nowadays, you don't have to worry about adding that information to the file itself because all of the information that description title, the publisher, the episode number, all of that is here being added to the file in this method through the upload process. If I would say you want to update the ID3 tags here. Because if you do have ID3 tags, which is what that's called, those tags and metadata that you add to the file where you can do when you upload is, you can populate the form with that ID3 data. So that is one step that will be decreased here if you add that data beforehand, but you're going to have to add that information somewhere, whether that's beforehand through your, your editor. Some different audio editors allow you to add ID3 tags when exporting or using a third party ID3 tag editor. But I think nowadays that's just not necessary and just including the information and writing out the information here when uploading is perfectly fine. So once it's uploaded, all you have to do is click publish. And that's going to either publish it immediately or in the future whenever you've scheduled your release date. So once you've released an episode, it's always fun to see how many people are listening to them. And that's where you go to your stats. Now, depending on the plan you're using, you will have access to like sort of premium status or just basic listens. So for the online course, masseter show, which I've kind of been on pause for a not I don't have those stats available before my wife's podcasts as bones, same DMS. Here's where we can see our stats. Here we can see are her total downloads. And for each episode broken down by month, how many downloads and listens she has. Down below you have this nice graph where you can zoom into specific dates or times and see where there's big spikes so she can see OK. On October 12th, she had a bunch of listens. What episode was that? And you can kinda see so that was October 11th. That was when her how V. Avert a zoning changes could impact all of Sandy Miss episode came out. So that's good to look at your stats and see what episodes do better and tried to replicate those kinds of episodes. You can change the dates so if you want to see a longer view. So let's see all of 2020 for her. It's run that to now you get more data in here. You can see again, sort of those peaks, C, U, the total listens from our downloads from that time period. So that's the stats on Libson. One other thing is once you release an episode or have it scheduled, you'll want to know how you can share it on other places like a website. So if you want to embed your podcasts on your website, what you can do is go to your episode. So let's go to previously published. And let's just find any of these. Here's, you click those links button. So you have a direct download link. So this will just go directly to a webpage where someone can download that file depending on what you plug-in you're using or how your website is set up, you might be able to just plug in this direct download URL into your website and it will create an audio player for you. So for example as well, when she was using Lipson, we're transferring to anchor now. But when she was using lips and she would just take this, add it to her website, which had sort of an audio player built into her website theme. And it just asked for the download URL or the audio file URL. And it's better to post your audio podcasts. Taking the link from here on Libson rather than re, uploading it to your own site. One, you don't want to use all that bandwidth and the space to upload your podcasts on your own website. It's going to be a lot slower than including it from your actual host. And then the other thing is you want to know your stats. So if someone's going to your site directly and listening to your show, if you don't have it linked from Libson or whoever your host is, you won't get the data for who's listening. If you want an actual embed audio, embedded audio player, if your website doesn't have one already, you can choose one of four options. Basically, I like using this custom one. It has all the features for rewinding, fast forwarding, jumping thirty-seconds ahead, 30 seconds behind, you can choose the color of your show. You can actually set this show color in your show settings. You can choose to hide, you know, share buttons or whatever you want, customize it, and then you click preview. And once you do that, it includes the podcasts image. So this will be different if you use, if you upload a specific image to that podcast episode. But if not, it just pulls in that image from, from the podcast image itself. And then you just take this code, copy it, and paste it into your website, and this will appear on your website. Pretty cool. Ha, alright, so I think that's a pretty good overview of Libson. If you have questions, let me know and I'm excited to move over to anchor fm in the next lesson, which has a little bit more of a modern feel and is free to get started. So let's hop over there in the next lesson. 10. Case Study: Let's Look at Phil's Podcasts: In this lesson, we're going to look a little bit deeper into how I use my podcast to run my business and make money from the podcasts, which is probably your goal. You're, you're likely trying to make money with this digital products. So let's look at online course Masters a little bit. And then we're going to dive into Isabel in Saint Thomas as well, which is not a money-making podcast, but it'll kind of just show you a couple different options for how you can run a podcast. First of all, what is online course masters? This is my brand for helping others to teach and create their own online courses. So it actually started as a podcast and as a way just for me to connect with other people who have similar goals, who do the same thing as me, who get me. And it's just great to sort of talk with other course creators, learn from them. And it became a thing where others course creators learned a lot from it. And so I haven't done episodes in a while. It's kind of this thing that I'm able to do on the side. And I liked to batch record a bunch of episodes for a season and then release them and then take a break. But today we have almost a 100 episodes and we're episode and maybe nine actually. And so I do have my own website for this brand, for this podcast. And for a while I was running a premium sort of coaching course and program which I talked a lot about in the coaching and courses section. By here you can see that it's typical website for a podcast that has all of the recent episodes on the homepage. A, it has a podcast page that has all of the episodes. And here you can see sort of the gamut of the different types of episodes we did. One season was mostly interview. So you can see here interviews with other course creators. We would include five question episodes every now and then where we would answer student questions. Before the season. Jeremy, My coast and mind of mine, who was co-host for season 23. We did a whole season where we went through the entire process of creating an online course. So you can see here lets start from C, 53. Episode 53 was why you should create an online course than absolute 54 was a deep dive into what topics should you teach, and then a deep dive into researching and validating a course topic. So we took every single step of the process and it was really sort of like a masterclass IO version at podcast version of a masterclass into creating an online course. And that was a really fun season. Before that, it was just me flying solo as the host with mostly interviews. And then also in between, I would do a couple of episodes just by myself, like tips for having the best Black Friday sale, that kind of thing. What's great about interviewing people for a podcast is that one. It keeps it interesting. You can stick to sort of a format. You don't have to be coming up with the information all of your top, by yourself all the time. You get that new information from the news stories from all of your interviewees. The other thing is that it can help grow your audience by interviewing other people. Hopefully they share the podcast when they're interviewed on it. And that will bring you an, a completely separate audience to your podcast. Let's look at a balanced AND miss is about my wife love her so much. And she decided a year ago, a little over a year ago, that she wanted to get more involved in the community. She wanted to inspire people to get involved. And so she started this podcast about our town of Sandy miss. And so every other week she releases and absolute about a random topic. So the latest episodes, This is a non-profit that one of our neighbors started. The absolute before that was about more like newsworthy political issue. The episode before that was interviewing someone who is trying to get lights at the local skate park so people can see it at night. And so all kinds of episodes, all kinds of interviews. And it's a really great resource for people in same demons, people love this show and even though the total listens isn't, you know, she's, her audience is very limited because it's really only people who live in S2 you is, who work in same beam is, or who might be interested in Sandy Miss would be interested in this show. And so her audience isn't going to be in the tens of thousands ever. But for the people who are listeners, they really are fans and really appreciate the work she does to put out this show. And Isabelle is a great example of someone who is not a typical content creator. She was never someone to make content, blog videos or anything like that. This is her first time being a content creator, and she's learned a lot and she's got a lot more comfortable over time being a Podcast Host, whether it's by yourself or interviewing, guess. And she, she really does an amazing job. So I would definitely say check out her website is about and Sandy Ms.com to see sort of a very basic website that you can start if, if you're just starting a podcast yourself, it's all about the podcast. There's no other products or services or or anything like that. She does have an email list where you can subscribe so you get get email updates when new episodes launch. A contact page for people to ask questions or to submit ideas for her show. And easy access links to her show on all of these different podcast players. I hope you've enjoyed this section on podcasting and have learned a lot. 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