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Final Cut Pro X: My Software of Choice for Advanced Video Editing and Rendering

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10 Lessons (36m)
    • 1. Introduction to Final Cut Pro X

    • 2. Importing your talking head videos live in Final Cut Pro X

    • 3. Importing a video you already recorded into Final Cut Pro X

    • 4. Other ways to record live in Final Cut Pro X

    • 5. Basic editing functions in Final Cut Pro X

    • 6. Final Cut Pro X has great audio editing options

    • 7. Adding graphics your videos is fairly simple in Final Cut Pro X

    • 8. You can add text a lot of different ways in Final Cut Pro X

    • 9. Exporting options to render your video in Final Cut Pro X

    • 10. Send to compressor for long rendering jobs and multiple videos

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About This Class

Welcome to my class on getting started using Final Cut Pro X! I use Final Cut on Mac to edit and render the videos you see in my bestselling video courses and the videos I upload to my YouTube channel.

Final Cut Pro X, Camtasia, and Wirecast enables me to create the high quality video content my students love! The following topics will be covered in this class:

  • Tour around the interface
  • Importing talking head videos
  • Importing a previously recorded video
  • Recording live video in Final Cut Pro X
  • Audio editing options
  • Adding graphics to your videos
  • Adding text to your videos
  • Exporting and rendering options
  • Using the compressor for long rendering jobs

Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope to see you in the course!

Here is a link to download a free trial of Final Cut Pro X for Mac!

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1. Introduction to Final Cut Pro X: Welcome to Final Cut Pro X After originally taking a final cut Pro X course, I'm honored to have the chance to teach about final cut pro acts. Now, about a year later, after getting my I Mac and using final cut pro X for months pounds final Cut Pro X is the heavy hitting video editing software that I used to make all of might along YouTube videos . And then I used to bring videos in from other sources together and that I used to bring my wire cast screen recordings into editing and rendering and final cut Pro X is what I used to produce all of my Webcam videos. In other words, final Cut, Pro X and Camped Asia combined cover everything I need to do with Kim Tasia covering the screen capture. I'm using Camped Asia to right Now and final Cut Pro covers everything else now Final cut Pro X takes a lot more learning, then camped, aged as Camp Tasia is pretty easy. Final cut Pro X. The price that comes with having Mawr tools to use is having a lot more complications, so it's I'll do my best to introduce you to final cut Pro X and get you comfortable with the layout. I know the main benefit I got from the final cut Pro X course after taking a few lectures, and it was confidence that I could do final cut pro X. So I hope that's what you get out of this final cut. Pro X, you can see has a lot more going on than Camp Tasia. Final Cut Pro X has libraries, which is this one library right here and then. It has events in each library, which include I do events by individual types of recordings such as you to me co instructed courses or some of my bigger, you know, me courses or things like videos for YouTube down here. So final cut Pro X then has projects. So this project, then, is what I used to make an individual video within. So I'm making this course in this project right here. Video production with Joe. So if I click on this, then here's the timeline for an individual project. This is similar to Camp Tasia to it allows for a lot more simple managing of a ton of different clips and things all together this way you can see. Here's the course I didn't with my friend. Here is a video right here. I can easily jump in and access that effortlessly, so I'll jump back. So I'm in the project. The project is where you actually make your videos down here. So within a project, you're looking at the video timeline down here then So the project you house projects and the raw media files with those projects within an individual event. And then all of your events are held together in one library. If you have an external hard drive like I dio what I've done and I've made the library the external hard drive that way, all the video files that I'm working with go on the external hard drive, which is huge. So that's how I've got it set up in the most basic sense. Now, where else do you need to? Really? No, I don't want to just blindly show you things you don't need to get started. The most critical thing that I use is this right here. This import media. This is how you get something onto the timeline. There's other ways to do it. This is the most basic. So what I'll do, I'll delete this here. This is the timeline where you edit in a render the video. Now this is the import option and you'll see it comes up over here. I'm actually recording this with my daughter right now, so I've been just doing screen capture videos. So because I have my shirt off when people say it's not very professional, I'm doing skin the skin time long story short. This is where you import, and this is where I do my Webcam video so we'll take me off the screen here, and this is where you go to import anything else that you need to do. And if you have any other devices and final cut pro, they must be recognized as a camera or some kind of device here. But they really need to be recognized as a camera. So I have a capture card, but Final Cut Pro does not recognize it, so I can't directly import from the capture card. If you want to be able to directly import to pull in raw video and recorded its got to show up here on final cut pro in the cameras and then you have the options here Where to put it , In which event, or to make a new library? I leave files in place, and then all the videos air up here. So if I close that back out, that's the most essential function. And I'll show you how to get a video that you import onto the timeline. So if I hit control or command on Apple Command Zito undoing, bring that last video back. This is the basic area where all the editing gets done. This is where once you import video, then it will pop down here so it will pop up right here. And these are the raw files that you've recorded. So what I've done here, this is an edited file within a project. And yes, if this sounds more complicated, it certainly is. Final cut, Pro X. It has more layers than Camp Tasia, and that allows it to do more. So what you when you import any kind of video, it's listed below the projects. This is your raw media to work with. So if I delete this and say I want to make another video in this same project or using the same project, which is normally what I do. I record a video and it'll pop up here below the list of projects. Now, while I've got this project selected, I picked the raw video I want to work with and drag it in here and now final caught automatically puts it on the starting point of zero. What you see here, then is the audio and the video combined. You can easily raise the volume easily and final cut. And you I'll show you the basic editing functions shortly. So for here, you've got all of the video on the timeline here, and this is then where ends and you can zoom out to manage the size of the timeline easily . And if you want to see which actual clips you're using, you can click this button right here. You see how much work final cut pro is doing on the background test? The beauty of final Cut pro is that it can actually render and do a lot of the work for you in the background while you're editing it. That's a really powerful feature, and final cut Pro X also can do a really good job of using all the resource of your computer has to go render a video. That's what I like about it. The last key function you really need to know before doing anything else is this export button. And most simply, if you just hit export file, it will set things up in pretty much the right format. To begin with, whatever your project is already set at, you can go next, save it somewhere, and then it will render the video from there. So these are the very basics of final cut Pro X. Obviously you can see up here. This is where the actual video is that you get to preview and then you have this pain here that can either be on or off where you can look at the video options here, the audio options to edit, all in the info for the video. All right, in here, everything's right at your fingertips and final cut pro X. Which makes it, of course, a lot more difficult to go figure out where everything actually is sometimes. So you've got the basics here, your project, where you go to work on making actual video with in a project than your raw video which you put down in the timeline toe work with you select various parts of it. You can continent it it just the same. And then you export right here. So thank you for taking this part of final cut Pro X. I'll get you started with exactly how to use the key functions that I use every day in final cut pro acts. 2. Importing your talking head videos live in Final Cut Pro X: to do your talking head lectures and final cut Pro X is pretty straightforward. What you do is you go to the import button, you go down here, you can import and then import window pops up. You can see it right now, and I I'm here with my daughter. Which is why I've made mostly screen capture videos today. So here I am. You hit import down here in the lower right hand corner, and then your video will start recording immediately. And then what you do, you hit stop import and that it will close the video window back out and then what? You'll get down here, you'll get a recording on your timeline of the talking head video, so you'll notice. Probably This is from a lecture that you saw earlier in the course. So once that pops up, then you just drag it down onto your timeline, and now you don't actually even have to. If you put some pictures above it, the talking head video won't even be visible like is in this last project here. So if I delete this one and I dragged this video down now what you've got you've got a new project here have to delete this blank spot. So you dragged the talking at video you just made So the talking head video you just Mazen on the timeline and all you have to do from years, edit it. So that's how you do a talking head video simply in final cut Pro act. 3. Importing a video you already recorded into Final Cut Pro X: and final cut Pro X. If you want to use another video, a lot of times, you'll need to actually import it from another source and from the existing hard drive you have or external hard driver camera. So what you do, you click this button import media from a device camera archive, and then it brings up the screen. Now, if you select camera and I believe I've already showed you this in the course, then that will allow you to import live from a camera. If you want to import a follow you've already recorded, such as something from Camp Tasia to you record and you want to put it in Final Cut Pro. You can import it right here, and you can import off a hard drive. The Promise Pegasus is my external hard drive, and I captured the video showing how to record on Camped Asia to and another screen capture program. And then it wouldn't edit properly encamped Asia, too. So this is why final cut pro so handy. I now can grab the video in final cut Pro X Import selected. So what you see here is now it's available on the timeline after I've imported it. So now it actually use it. With the file selected, I drag it down here and now I have the clip on my timeline and encamped Asia to the audio didn't work. However, in final cut pro acts, you can see the audio is on this timeline clip. So I've got it imported. It's ready to use. And now all I have to do edit it. So thank you for watching. I hope this is useful for you. 4. Other ways to record live in Final Cut Pro X: If you want to do something besides record a Web camera, video and final cut Pro X, you'll need to be able to have a source that is supported by final cut Pro X to import. So if you hit import right here, you'll see the options I have to import. So I've got my face time cameras on Lee one I can actually import with. Now if I bring in the safari window, I have over here and show you the apple support article on it. What you can do is any device. What you want to look for is finds something that supported by final cut Pro X. You want to look for something that says works with final cut Pro X. Now, if you have a camera you're under a ring about, you can just search compatible cameras with final cut pro acts on Google. The first article that should come up is this one it goes through, enlists every single recorder that it has is currently compatible with final cut Pro X, and then what you can do down at the bottom of this. It shows you Maura about camera import and format support on what you can do is then get some plug ins if you need to help you out with getting various things done. So there's plug ins that can help you do even Mawr with final cut pro acts, you can look at the plug ins on this page. There's plug ins that allow you to even bring streaming, and I believe, and you can have plug ins to remove your green screen, all kinds of extra plug ins you can add to final cut pro X. So that's one of the challenges I've added. The final cut Pro X is how to actually record video with it. Like with Camped Asia, it's really easy to record video with final cut pro acts. You have to have something that supported, and that's why I use Camped Asia and final cut pro acts to record my videos. 5. Basic editing functions in Final Cut Pro X: Here are the basic editing options and final cut Pro X. Once you've got the clip on the timeline, then you can trim it. You can edit it and you can do anything else with it right here. But it's got to be here in order to do the full editing. Now you can edit up here. You can select parts of clips. It's easiest to do it all down here. So by default I've got this cursor selected, and when I'll do zoom in and show you how to edit the beginning of anything you record so that when you start the video, there's no silence. Where is right here? There's a few seconds of silence, and I always started video with a little silence to make sure I don't start talking before the video's actually recording everything. And here's how you trim it and you can zoom in more now. One strategy. You can just play it and let it run until the audio starts, and then stop it, or you can just look where the audio is. You can see the audio here. It starts right here, so I congrats this part of the clip it has a little icon. You'll see it changes from a mouse to this. You just drag it over here to the play handle and that actually stopped little shorts. You can drag it mental kind of click on it or stick to it. So now I've got it started right where the actual audio begins. Then I can scroll this down here and I have, in my option selected skim off and the skim options here. So it's not constantly playing it while I move through it, similar to camped Asia, too. And now what I can do. I can just play it till the end until the audio stops are watching this. This is useful in showing you how to record with camped Asian, too. So I heard the audio stop good there so I could do the same thing here. But I'll show you one additional editing option fast so you can also go to Blade. And if you want toe hack up a video in the middle of it, this is really helpful. So I do here. I just hacked that with the blade. I go back to select, and what you'll notice is this clip is now separate from that clip, so I can just select this cliff and hit the delete button and it's gone. So I've trimmed it off that way to now what I do in the middle of a video. If I make a mistake or mess up, I just leave some silence. That, to me, is the easiest way to indicate that there needs to be editing. Leave a long like 10 seconds. Silence, so that if this was silent, you could see a big flat line on the audio. And then I can go back in with the blade tool, listen to whatever I just talked about before I messed up and then figure out exactly where to go in and blade that part. Now, theoretically, you could do this with the range selection. Also, I figure out where to cut. To start with, I go through and right before I start talking again, I cut there and delete that out. So that's the easiest way to do some simple edits. In final Cut Pro X. How final cut Pro X has a lot of depth available in the editing, so to begin, just getting used to the basic editing functions is really helpful and not trying to do more before you know more. So I hope you have enjoyed this video on Appreciate you watching. 6. Final Cut Pro X has great audio editing options: final cut. Pro X has great audio editing options to get started. All you have to do is select the clip down here within your project. And then, if you're not in the audio tab, you click on audio, and there's options here than for effects for volume and pan and audio enhancements is where you really get into the cool options that final cut pro X has. You click on this tab and now final cut Pro X gives you these options where you can automatically do things like remove hum. So if you click, hum, removable and automatically removed from, and you can do background noise removal right here or loudness and do that. Of course, as I've said for previous audio by this point, it's a lot easier if you film it right to start with. And you don't have to do this. If you do need to edit the audio every single time and you can't fix your filming, I like Final cut Pro X Best, especially for this hum removal option, because it has a frequency set based on where you're located. So if you're in the U. S. A. We have 120 volt current at 60 hertz, for example, Japan and many other countries have 50 hertz. So if you've got 60 Hertz based humming or 50 hertz based humming, you can just switch this back and forth and then automatically process your audio for the frequency. The humming is around you. I really liked that feature, and there's also the background noise removal with the adjustable slider and then the loudness, which can help get your audio all uniform. I really like thes audio editing options and, for example, I worked with a co instructor. I use the hum removal on a few of the lectures he made, and I turned up the volume and fixed the loudness on some of the lectures he made. So if you need to edit the audio final cut, pro acts is the way to go. Now it takes a minute. You might see it saying, analyzing here it has to go through all of the audio on, analyze it first before it can do this, so that can take a little bit of time to get started with. But once it goes through in analyzes it, then you'll see these options here that you can use immediately. If you want to separate the audio in the video, you can do expand audio video so that you can see specifically each component. If you want to raise the volume, the easiest thing to do there's a little slider. When you come over the volume, you can just go like that and raise the volume up to 12 decibels immediately, and if you raised it too much, you can hit command Z, and you cannot do it. You can also lower the volume to negative infinity. So those air easy ways to raise and lower the volume. And if you want to have the audio and video collapse, you can put them back together just by collapsing. You can also separate the audio and video completely so that you don't have to put them back together so you can't detach audio, which then pulls the audio completely off. This is separate from simply expanding them, so if they're expanding them, they're still together. If they're detached, you can then go do. The audio is a separate component then, so if you select both of these together, then you're not able to just simply reattach it like that. So if you hit control or command Z, you can undo it and put them back together. So this is what you can do in final cut pro to do your editing with your audio options. I'm very grateful you're here, and I appreciate the time you've spent watching this and learning how to edit the audio in final Cut pro X. 7. Adding graphics your videos is fairly simple in Final Cut Pro X: If you want to add some graphics and final cut pro, it's pretty easy, and there's a few different ways to do it. So the easiest way. If you have ah, file and finder somewhere, you can just grab it like I've done and pull it out onto here. So if I delete this and do it again, I grabbed the computer I want and I or the screenshot I want. I take it on dragging out here. Now you can see I can just drag it along here. I can expand it. So that's the full length of the video clip now, Today I'm filming here with my daughter strapped onto me So you might or might not think. This is very professional to do for a course, so that's one opportunity you can do for a graphic, then is just to drag a graphic over whatever you've recorded here. So if you're doing a basic like talking head lecture, but you'd rather just put a graphic over it to show you're talking about are Siris of several graphics. Then you can just film with your regular talking head lecture format like I'm doing, and then just put graphics over top of it. This is usually a lot easier than trying to make Ah, whole presentation, and I'm talking in this lecture. You already watched it, probably about the benefits of having to computers. So there's no reason that I necessarily need to go in and have a talking head lecture about this. It's easier to just show my studio where I have both computers set up, and that's how I do it. So that's the easiest way to add graphics to Final Cut Pro. It's in the order that you have them in. So if I move this down below, then you would not see the graphic at all. You'd see me talking, so if I move it above than what you actually sees the graphic. But the audio is there with it, so the audio blends together. But the graphic then is over top of the picture. And to export this, I like to make sure I've selected both of them before I export it to make sure I don't just export one of the other. I appreciate you watching this and hope this is useful for you and filming your own videos 8. You can add text a lot of different ways in Final Cut Pro X: If you want to add text to your videos and final cut pro X, it's a little more challenging than doing it in Camp Tasia. It's all in this what is called title option. So there's this tea right here. You click on the tea, and then it brings up all these various title options you can use now, the one I generally uses. What you see on this video in the middle, there's a little banner down at the bottom with a website. You are all that's the one I usually use. The beauty is. Once you figure out and get this done once all you have to do is copy and paste it anytime you want to do it again. So if I hit command, see and I pull over in it, Command V, then it comes in again. So all you have to do is figure out this once right on one video, and then you just copy it and edit it on any other video. So now I'll show you how to figure it out once, right on one video you. What you need to do is find a title that works for you. So there's all kinds of different title options and final cut pro acts will give you a preview of what it looks like here. All kinds of different options. You can put date times. There's lots of different title options, which is very nice. You can even do a little Star Wars theme here. If you want toe fade in like that, there's so many fun things to do. And there's tons of five or gigs out there where people pretty much just do this for you. They take your video and put a little title on it, or they use a pre format and put your text into it. Here's the one I use. It's called formal, and it allows you to put a name and description, and this is what it looks like when I've edited it. Toe look how I want. This is how it looks by D fall, you know? Ah, formal thing across the screen so you don't have to use the one I'm using their so many great ones you can use all over the place. Feel free to use any of these. You want to any of these all these titles there, so many good options. You may find one that you like a lot better than my generic formal one here. So when you click on the title and you want to use it, then what you do is dragging on toe where you wanted that. And now you've got it out here. And so it comes out pretty short. So if you want it to go longer than you need to extend it, and that might help to edit it, then next up here you have the text on it and you have the title on it. So now I'll pull this down here, and I'll actually close the title screen so you can focus on the editing. Now there's these different elements. You've got the building and build out, so basically fades in. Instead of just popping in, it kind of fades in a little bit. Then there's these colors. You could choose the font color here, for you can choose the font. There's so many things you can customize, which is why it's complicated. Then there's different font you can pick to have here. You can have glow shadow, all kinds of fancy features. And then here's where the position is on it. And to me, this is the weirdest thing. Is the positioning So if you want this right now, it's not at the bottom. If you want it on the bottom, you actually have to go manually. Put the pixel position in. So for example, if I want this to drop down some, I do minus 100 pixels. If I don't want it quite that far down, I do minus 75. If I want it smaller, I can scroll the scale down. If I wanted bigger, I can scroll the scale bigger. So the custom is ations. Options allow you to put this exactly where you want to. You can even rotate it. You can crop it a little bit. You move this around, so if I want it on the top of the screen, I need to put it up. So ah, significant amount to put it up on the top. So I type in like 8 50 up here, and then it goes up on the top of the screen. Not quite that much. 8 25 So now it's on top of the screen. So if I want to go back now, I can select in here. I double clicked on it. So I have the text I can put in Jury Banfield here. I can then put something else in the description, or I can go in and click in here and delete the actual text of the description. If, say, I don't need any description up there. So now I can just click back in this bigger one and make the funt larger and then stretch it up and stretch it down. Now this allows me to fill it up with just one word instead of having it filled up with that other word. Now, if I want to change the font color and I have to go back to title, I can pick a different color and look there. It's nice, beautiful color. Now, Now I've got that set up, and that's the basics of how you make a title here and when you you have to. Actually, if you want to see the title, that has to be over in the video. So you might think, Oh, I didn't make it. You have to have the place slider actually over it, and then it pops in and it will drop out like that. So that's how you make some text in final Cut Pro X and the basics. Now, if you want to do more fancy things with it, if you want to try a whole bunch of different options on it, it's simply just takes more time and effort playing around with this thing. You can do things like crop aside, out, crop it down from the top. If you don't say want the borders on it, which I might do in the future, you can crop it down a little bit from the top to take the borders out, and you can crop it up from the bottom, do the same thing. There's so many different options that the only thing that will limit you is how much time you spend playing around with it. My thought is to get one good format down. You like that works for you that you consistently then use across your videos. So thank you for watching this, and I hope this is useful for you in putting different texting titles on your videos and final cut pro acts 9. Exporting options to render your video in Final Cut Pro X: Here's how to export your video and final cut pro. So you I like to make sure everything selected down here in the project, and I can just command a to do that. Then there's a little export button right here. You click that, and I usually go into the default export file settings here. So now the project title comes up with the description. It shows the resolution, the frame rate, the time the format it's going to put it in. And then you have some settings options back here. You can change usually whatever is on by default works. If you need to tweak it for a various video format, you can do that. So then what I do? I hit export back here or I hit next. So then it brings up finder view. If you've been working on something in your course most recently the easiest thing to do now this is the big view, so the small view will just look like this. The big view looks like this. You click on the Fuller and just go back to whatever folder you were working in before and then the easiest thing to do is have the title pulled directly for somewhere else. So I'm in the final cut pro section. I'm in the exporting options. So this is a lecture I'm filming now. Well, I don't want to actually go put that into the video. Four. Final cut Pro. The actual lecture I'm filming is up here, so having to computers can make things easier. So this is the one I'm actually exporting right now in final Cut pro. So I paced the title in there. That way, when I save this, I know the exact title of the video, and if I'm exporting it somewhere else, and it's really easy that way, so all I do then hit Save, and now you'll see the rendering box down here is how far along it's going, and when it's finished, it will pop up in quick time and the reason I use Final Cut Pro. Here's the finished video. The reason I use Final cut Pro X is because of what you just saw. How fast did that render? That was incredibly fast rendering, and that's why use final cut pro Ni Mac really fast rendering and now the shares successful . The video's done and now I can go through and click Add content you to me and pick the video and upload it right here that easy. So that's how you do. Export file and final cut Pro. I appreciate you watching this and hope this is useful. 10. Send to compressor for long rendering jobs and multiple videos: if you have some heavy lifting to do, such as more than one video to export at once, or if I go over here and show you some of these videos, for example, this course five hour video toe export. The thing to do with that is to send it to compressor. So if you go up here, there's a send to compressor button, so I'll go back to the course video production with Joe. I select the video here with Control. A on what I can do is send to compressor and compressor is a different program. It's a separate program. It's like an extra $50. But compressor has a lot mawr export options, as you can see here, and I'll bring it up so everything's in here fully. Compressor allows you to render a video separately from final cut pro, and I really like compressor for doing big jobs. Especially, for example, if you need to edit the audio and make the sound quieter on 10 or 20 videos at a time, or increase the sound on 10 or 20 videos at a time. Compressors a lot easier to do that with. If you have an 11 hour video to render It's a lot nicer to do it with compressor. You can let it sit there and it's a lot easier. The challenge with compressor is then getting all of your output set up. Exactly. So what I've got already have my output. I use I just click plus output here and then I do video sharing services. 7 20 p. If it's in 7 20 you'll notice. Over here it isn't 7 20 p. And if otherwise I do 10. 80 p right here, so 7 20 p. And then I pick this where I want it to export to. And I go back to my recent files, as I've done with everything else. And then I can put it right here and choose this folder and it will come out with whatever name it already has. So then I click OK on it, and then it's all set up to go. And now all I have to do will raise this up a little bit. All I have to do sit, start, badge and compressor gets to work exporting it now it often will take a little bit longer than final cut pro acts to export or sometimes it'll take about the same. But the nice thing is, it sits here in just export files. That's all it does. It doesn't fool around with editing or anything else. It's just for exporting files. So I really like compressor for that, because then you look at all these videos I've completed with it. You can see a lot of these air done in big batches or some of these like to really long YouTube videos at once. I can queue both of those up and export them both at the same time. Or I can just leave the computer running all night to export these long videos. So that's what compressors really good for. I just went and used it in what you'll notice here. I have a brand new file up here, and it starts with the project named by default. I don't actually need this file because already rendered this lecture once so compressor. Very helpful. If you've got large files to compress or if you want more output formats than final cut pro X offers, or if you want to be able to just pump our a lot of files at once and not have to sit there and export every single one individually and final cut pro. So thank you very much for watching. And I hope this is useful.